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Think big with a gig: Our experimental fiber network

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Re: Think big with a gig: Our experimental fiber network

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Time for the other so-called broadband providers to shake in their boots. I like companies that have no respect for established business models. In this perspective, despite its size, I think it's fair to call Google a start-up.

Yeah, after Google starts selling broadband significantly below cost, no real ISP will be able to meet customers' inflated expectations.

Re: Think big with a gig: Our experimental fiber network

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This is more than just kinda great, this is definitively awesomely great. Words can not describe how crappy Time Warner is in NYC.

Bonus points for doing this in a recession when traditional companies are running for the hills and laying off people left and right. Google continues to innovate and crush competition in multiple industries. I have no doubt that if they want to become an ISP or even pretend to become one to force traditional ISP's to innovate then good for them and better for us.

Re: Think big with a gig: Our experimental fiber network

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This may be paranoia, but I'm actually worried about this much bandwidth being the hands of ordinary people. My reasoning: super-botnets. This has the potential to very easily create a several 100Gbit DDOS network, which is essentially unstoppable. I understand the need and potential for high speed networks, but I think gigabit might be taking it a bit too far. It's a "with great power comes great responsibility" sort of thing. But perhaps I'm just being overly paranoid.

Re: Think big with a gig: Our experimental fiber network

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I think Google would be better off partnering with existing service providers for this project. It's a hugely complex process to start from scratch. Getting the pole rights alone to build infrastructure is going to take them years. In some area's within the span of a mile you might pass poles owned by half a dozen different entities. Most of them owned by incumbent Internet service providers who will tell you the pole is already at capacity and if you want to put up your fiber they need to replace 50 poles to cover one new street of infrastructure build out. In many places they'll have to dig trenches for new construction. In cold areas that means you lose at least 5 months a year of actual work time or you spend a fortune digging into the frozen ground. They're going to need to hire a small army of contractors to build plant and splice fiber or make the investment in man power, bucket trucks, gear, etc to do it in house. They're going to need warehouses and office space all over the country. And of course they'll need customer & technical support staff. I'd be shocked if Google makes any real progress on this outside of extremely limited deployments. The whole system is setup to make it very hard for any outside force to compete with incumbents.

Re: Think big with a gig: Our experimental fiber network

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You may have a problem in NY. In general, the more built up a place is, the more vested interests there are, and the more they are able to manipulate the legislative process. Google moves at Internet speed. Out in the "real world", it's still illegal to sell cars and wine over the Internet, because the local car and liquor distributors have gotten their preferences written into the law. You may find that Google can't…

It's not just NY. It's a lot of places. Many towns have locked down franchise agreements for telephone and cable tv "utilities" just like they do for water or power. If Google admits they're going to deliver advanced Google Voice or YouTube services over these lines, that's infringing on these agreements and the towns face lawsuits from the legacy carriers. You can't just hop on poles and start stringing wires all ov…

But I highly doubt Google is planning on offering "Cable Video." In the same way that VOIP is differentiated from Voice Service according to the FCC, offering IPTV does not require a Service Provider to register as a Cable Franchise. VOIP & IPTV are seen as "applications," not a native service type.

Re: Think big with a gig: Our experimental fiber network

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post #24

This may be paranoia, but I'm actually worried about this much bandwidth being the hands of ordinary people. My reasoning: super-botnets. This has the potential to very easily create a several 100Gbit DDOS network, which is essentially unstoppable. I understand the need and potential for high speed networks, but I think gigabit might be taking it a bit too far. It's a "with great power comes great responsibility" sor…

Don't most South Korean already have fiber to the home? The internet hasn't melted down yet.

Re: Think big with a gig: Our experimental fiber network

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is more around trying to force the broadband providers to get their act together. Scare them ;0)

Right. At Google's scale, it will even benefit them a lot if other broadband providers provide a better service, since it promotes more use of the internet, and thus more ad income for Google.

Or will make video ads more practical. Uhm, yay?
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