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Re: AI generated music to improve focus, relaxation and sleep

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After a quick little look through the Terms of Service... > IT IS ALSO SOLELY YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO EVALUATE THE ACCURACY, COMPLETENESS, USEFULNESS OR VALIDITY OF ALL OPINIONS, ADVICE, SERVICE, PROMOTIONS, ADVERTISEMENTS, AWARDS, PRIZES OR OTHER INFORMATION, AND THE QUALITY AND MERCHANTABILITY OF ALL SERVICES AND/OR MERCHANDISE, PROVIDED BY OR THROUGH BRAIN.FM. BRAIN.FM MAKES NO REPRESENTATIONS, WARRANTIES OR ENDORS…

It's just a standard TOS, man.

Here's the Terms Of Service for Yale:

I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR REVIEWING ANY WRITTEN CONFIRMATION STATEMENTS PROVIDED TO ME (ON PAPER OR IN ELECTRONIC FORM) REGARDING ANY INSTRUCTIONS, CHOICES, OR REQUESTS THAT I MAKE THROUGH THIS WEB SITE. I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR REVIEWING FOR INACCURACIES ALL OF THE INFORMATION TRANSMITTED TO ME. IF THERE ARE INACCURACIES, I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR CORRECTING THEM USING THE TOOLS AVAILABLE TO ME ON THE WEB SITE OR BY CONTACTING THE BENEFITS CENTER TO POINT THEM OUT.

Here's Amazon:

AMAZON ATTEMPTS TO BE AS ACCURATE AS POSSIBLE. HOWEVER, AMAZON DOES NOT WARRANT THAT PRODUCT DESCRIPTIONS OR OTHER CONTENT OF ANY AMAZON SERVICE IS ACCURATE, COMPLETE, RELIABLE, CURRENT, OR ERROR-FREE. IF A PRODUCT OFFERED BY AMAZON ITSELF IS NOT AS DESCRIBED, YOUR SOLE REMEDY IS TO RETURN IT IN UNUSED CONDITION.

And here's Pfizer:

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I mean, I can talk to my lawyer about changing it if you really think it's that bad. :)

Re: AI generated music to improve focus, relaxation and sleep

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> Someone poured their heart and soul into something that may not make a profit! Sorry but that's irrelevant. A homeopathy practitioner could say the same thing. Their site front page says in big font: "Dramatically improve focus, relaxation & sleep". And it says science all over the place and contains pretty sciency charts. An intentionally wide range of charts. Vertical and horizontal bar charts, pie charts, line g…

Hey man, about to respond to your other question, but there was a similar question earlier so thought I'd just take this one first. Here's a bibliography we're still working on. More to add, but a good start so far: https://www.brain.fm/pdfs/ResearchLibrary.pdf Here's an independent peer reviewed study on HRV using our tech: https://www.brain.fm/pdfs/ElioConteHRVandBWE.pdf We're planning on following that one up with…

I appreciate your honesty here. If I'm reading it right, result of the focus study is that the Music-Placebo difference is at p=0.044, 0.041, 0.048. So it is significant (under 0.05) but "just barely", which is always a warning sign, especially if the study was done and published by the company itself.

Re: AI generated music to improve focus, relaxation and sleep

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Adam from Brain.fm here! Happy to answer any questions. :) I've been doing this stuff for a while and I love talking about it. I've contacted Giovanni, our lead neuroscientist, so hopefully he'll be able to get on soon as well. I'm a regular of HN and it's wild to see something of mine up here.

I think the AI aspect could provide some interesting additional business ideas. I guess it's just AI for the uninformed, for you it's an algorithm that follows certain principles (no abrupt breaks, constant level...). Creating playlists of songs that (when mixed together) adhere to those principles would be interesting in my opinion.

Thanks, yeah I had thought of that. I think it could potentially be useful in lots of different ways. Right now though it's very much geared toward this specific purpose. Much of its initial purpose was to align everything with the modulations/filters we're using, because doing it manually in a DAW is hell.

It's definitely not meant to replace musicians/composers. Actually I still work with musicians/composers to create tiny bits of sound (individual notes, etc) and stems for the AI to work with. More importantly, I'll work them to help me figure out how I can improve the AI for certain genres. Indie music / folk, for example, are particularly difficult. Rock, near impossible, so far. Could be the limitation of the stereotypical 3:05 long song, but then I think, Mike Oldfield.. haha. Fun challenges!

I would LOVE to make a tool for musicians though. The 3D-audio stuff alone could be pretty useful I think. If I can do some cool stuff with it, I'd love to see what other, more creative people can do. I've never seen it done this way. There's some VST plugins, but they're not that great. Of course there's a ton of binaural microphone recordings, like the barbershop. But it's a whole different level to be able to move thousands of generated sounds around in 3D space.

Maybe sometime in the future when things calm down :)

Re: AI generated music to improve focus, relaxation and sleep

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Adam from Brain.fm here! Happy to answer any questions. :) I've been doing this stuff for a while and I love talking about it. I've contacted Giovanni, our lead neuroscientist, so hopefully he'll be able to get on soon as well. I'm a regular of HN and it's wild to see something of mine up here.

Honest feedback — I tried the service for 20 minutes (that's the amount of time that life allowed) and it felt promising. But you are fighting a hard battle here: * "6 free sessions left" might not be enough for me to make sure that the music doesn't engage my creative hemisphere too much (I see this problem with most musical content), * the pricing is fairly high. I'm in Poland and I pay $5 a month for Spotify, this…

Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated!

There is discussion about extending the trial, and I agree completely.

And we're almost done with both the iPhone app and the Android app! Stay tuned :)

Good point about Spotify. I could have sworn I pay $10 for it. Around $8 for Netflix, unless I'm mistaken. At any rate, I try to stay out of the business processes that go into making those decisions, for my own sanity, with the exception of occasionally giving discounts to my 10 twitter followers ;) haha. I've relayed your feedback to Junaid my co-founder though. Thanks again.

Re: AI generated music to improve focus, relaxation and sleep

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Adam from Brain.fm here! Happy to answer any questions. :) I've been doing this stuff for a while and I love talking about it. I've contacted Giovanni, our lead neuroscientist, so hopefully he'll be able to get on soon as well. I'm a regular of HN and it's wild to see something of mine up here.

Hey Adam. I had a question :) I was curious about what sort of model you used to program the "AI" part of it?

Hey, happy to answer that. Do a page find for the word "emergent" here and you should find it. I've explained it a few times, though briefly. I did a write-up of it a while back that I need to find and post somewhere. But anyway, feel free to reply here if you have any questions at all.

heh, "emergent." Sounds like I'm asking you look up the latest Hunger Games knockoff.

Re: AI generated music to improve focus, relaxation and sleep

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> There's a piece of my soul in that thing. Good for you, but that's none of my business. I don't want to be harsh, but I don't like this kind of emotional manipulation. You're trying to prime me to be buddies with you and cut you some slack. I have some questions. In what sense is this an AI and not simply a computer program? Did you use methods that are discussed in AI or machine learning textbooks and conferences,…

Hey, no problem. Not trying to "prime" you here, this is just how I talk. I'm not that strategic. If you think it would help, I'd be happy to get on a call/skype? I just feel like there's some miscommunication going on here and I'd like to clear it up if I can. 1) Research: I responded to your other comment with some research links. Here they are again just in case: https://www.brain.fm/pdfs/ResearchLibrary.pdf https…

> If you think it would help, I'd be happy to get on a call/skype? I just feel like there's some miscommunication going on here and I'd like to clear it up if I can.

Nah, no need. I can't say much more than what I said already. As a computer science major who took AI and machine learning courses and as a self-identifying scientific skeptic, I just felt the need to point out the fishy things going on here. Anyone here can read your reactions as well and build their opinion.

Re: AI generated music to improve focus, relaxation and sleep

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I'm not sure if that's fair. They (claim to) have [0] a bunch of PhDs, and have a page with the same kind of words on [1] as parent. [0] https://www.brain.fm/about [1] https://www.brain.fm/#science

#credentials

Well, yes?!

Your implied complaint was that their work is not very scientific. The team having PhDs in neuroscience is irrelevant/unsatisfactory/bad?

What would you like to see? Would it have seemed more scientific to you if they'd done it at a hackathon?

Re: AI generated music to improve focus, relaxation and sleep

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Adam from Brain.fm here! Happy to answer any questions. :) I've been doing this stuff for a while and I love talking about it. I've contacted Giovanni, our lead neuroscientist, so hopefully he'll be able to get on soon as well. I'm a regular of HN and it's wild to see something of mine up here.

I have tried a both a 15-minute "quick relax" session and a full 8-hour sleep session. Based on the "quick relax" session, I assumed this music was based primarily on binaural beats (hence the need for headphones), but the sleep session didn't seem to use the beats as strongly (if at all). I have trouble sleeping at night due to both stress and restless leg syndrome, and while this music didn't put me to sleep right…

Glad you enjoyed it!

Not to add to your expenses, but definitely invest in some "sleep phones." I like the Took's brand, and it's the cheapest. You can lay completely on your side and the wafer-thin speakers don't bother you at all. Pretty decent sound quality too.

Sleep-phones are unfortunately essential to get the most out of the session, especially as an insomniac. (to be clear, I have no affiliation with any headphone brand)

I'm a lifelong, severe insomniac. Have restless leg too, though minor in my case. It was a major frustration for 11 years that I couldn't truly help my own insomnia with the audio stuff I was doing. There were protocols others had used/recommended, but they were pretty limited in their effectiveness. I kept experimenting with things, testing mostly on myself. The real breakthrough came when we perfected our use of HRTF ("3D" audio).

My problem was mostly sleep-onset insomnia, and this enabled me to create an interesting, constantly-moving 3D scene that was able to dissociate me from my daily worries and chattery mind. If you notice, the sounds rotate around your head. Our neuroscientist Giovanni Santostasi hypothesizes that one of the reasons the thing works so well is because it mimics the effect of rocking in a cradle or a hammock, since the ears do somewhat have to do with balance (he mentioned a study in which they analyzed the effects of rocking and it enhanced the quality of sleep from an EEG perspective - can ask him for it if you want).

After that it was a matter of finding relaxing ways to implement the stimulation. Giovanni is an expert on what's called slow-wave sleep. It's the deepest stage of sleep, and is where memory is largely consolidated. His work at Northwestern is almost exclusively developing audio stimulation to enhance slow-wave sleep. They recently got a ridiculous large grant from DARPA for it. Look him up if you're interested.

So, after some talk, I created a protocol to stimulate slow waves that also ended up involving the 3D audio.

It took some tweaking, lots and lots of testing, but the end results were... staggering. Frankly unbelievable.

The first time Giovanni did a sleep study on me with this new protocol, he thought I had faked the EEG data somehow, and I don't blame him. It was frankly more likely that I had somehow generated fake EEG-like microvolts for 8 hours than get the result that we did. Then he tried it on himself and got nearly the same result, which was a surprise because he can sleep standing up if he's tired enough.

What he saw on the EEG was that the sleep protocol enhances slow-wave oscillations by 20-30%. To put this in perspective, if you decide to pull and all-nighter tonight, tomorrow when you sleep, you'll see a slow-wave gain of only about 10% to compensate.

It's an insane result. Absolutely ridiculous.

But the thing is, the result is clear as day if you do a sleep study. We confirmed and confirmed and confirmed it. Take a look at the sleep study analysis on the website. I know it's hard to parse - we need to convert it into non-giovanni-speak. But look at those correlations, and how consistent the result of the stimulation is between subjects...

Not only this, but we're showing an increase in what are called Spindles, which are highly associated with memory consolidation. It's very likely that we are also increasing memory consolidation with this, in the same way that his department at NW is showing that using a phase-lock-loop auditory stimulus enhances memory consolidation.

I know you didn't ask any of this, it's probably boring. I'm just very passionate about sleep. Have a lot more to say about it in general but will stop here :)

To sum it up: What I'm getting at is that even if you weren't an insomniac, you can still very much benefit from using the sleep sessions!

AND I will bet you that if you get some special headphones that allow more freedom, it will help you get to sleep as well.

Please keep me updated. Message me or find me on brain.fm. Would love to be updated on your progress. Tell you what, if you commit to getting some sleep-phones, I'll give you the price of the headphone's worth of free Brain.fm time to test this out. I'm just curious now, and love helping a fellow insomniac. :)

- Adam from Brain.fm

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