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Supercomputer quietly puts U.S. weather resources back on top

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Re: Supercomputer quietly puts U.S. weather resources back on top

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It's a very exciting time in weather forecasting. We're getting all kinds of new observations available, from cheap LEO satellites to smartphone sensors to smart umbrellas and everything else. And faster computers! And more parallel computers! Think about every single iPhone and every single Galaxy S in the world as a useful sensor array _and_ a parallel processor...

Weather forecasting accuracy is still constrained by both the available observations and the ability to run the forecast models. This new supercomputer won't be nearly enough to process all the new data that will arrive in the next few years, so the pendulum will swing back to the bottleneck being computing power soon enough. I think the most exciting things will happen over the next 5-10 years, as we end up with another 2-3 order of magnitude increase in the available observations to the models and we'll build new supercomputers to process them. I bet we can get incredible improvements, things like reliable 2-week weather forecasts.

Re: Supercomputer quietly puts U.S. weather resources back on top

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Is there anyone here who works on weather models who would be able to explain why custom supercomputers are still needed vs. large commodity clusters? Thanks!

I don't do weather, but probably it has a lot to do with inter-node bandwidth.

Re: Supercomputer quietly puts U.S. weather resources back on top

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Is there anyone here who works on weather models who would be able to explain why custom supercomputers are still needed vs. large commodity clusters? Thanks!

Just a guess...

high fidelity weather modelling algorithms are highly constrained by node-to-node communication latency. So their supercomputer probably has some networked-direct-memory-access or another non-standard setup tuned toward passing data between adjacent nodes quickly.

Re: Supercomputer quietly puts U.S. weather resources back on top

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Is there anyone here who works on weather models who would be able to explain why custom supercomputers are still needed vs. large commodity clusters? Thanks!

The branding is still very valuable. This article makes them sound like common blades, ready for virtualization or containerization: http://m.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/30/cray_adds_haswell_and_...

Re: Supercomputer quietly puts U.S. weather resources back on top

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Is there anyone here who works on weather models who would be able to explain why custom supercomputers are still needed vs. large commodity clusters? Thanks!

Modern supercomputers essentially are large commodity clusters. Nobody builds a single fast machine ala Cray-1 anymore. It's just not scaleable past a certain point and we're long since past that. However, they still like to give them fancy names as marketing, because they cost tens of millions of dollars.

The main differentiation vs a standard datacenter is low-latency high-throughput interconnects, often with a specific or reconfigurable topology. Something like InfiniBand, where you can ensure very consistent, very favorable bounds on your latency and throughput. So think of it as being a "custom installation" or "custom cluster" instead.

Nowadays there really are only a few real choices left in high-performance computing hardware: CPU vs GPU, processor architecture (eg POWER vs x86), and interconnection. Everything else is more or less irrelevant.

I have to admit though, I've always wanted to see what you'd get if you built a Cray-2 with GPU chips (eg Pascal) or Xeon Phi as processing modules. The sheer density of chips Cray managed to cram in that case is impressive.

Re: Supercomputer quietly puts U.S. weather resources back on top

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Maybe it's me, but having the backup in Orlando sounds like a bad idea. Anyone able to comment on the logic behind this?

I'd assume that one of Florida's senators, Bill Nelson or Marco Rubio, was responsible for ensuring that the backup system landed in their state. One person's pork is another's 'crucial jobs and infrastructure earmark.'
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