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What 5G Will Mean for You

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> What 5G Will Mean for You

Absolutely nothing for the next 20 years, seeing how my carrier just started deploying LTE (50 MBit, that is, not 300 MBit) at eye-watering costs ($20 a month for 5 gigabytes!).

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> negotiations are expected to persist until at least 2019, so 5G cellphone networks will not become widespread in the United States or elsewhere until well into the next decade.

Worth noting that Nokia and NTT DoCoMo will be making efforts to get an outdoor 5G network in place in time for the 2020 Tokyo Olympics.

3/2/15: The companies said they have achieved super-fast data transmission speeds of higher than 2 gigabits per second in a joint indoor trial using Nokia Networks' radio technology operating in the 70 gigahertz spectrum band. [1]

Nokia demonstrated 5G on their commercially available Airscale base station at MWC this year. [2]

[1] http://www.reuters.com/article/us-telecoms-mwc-ntt-docomo-id...

[2] http://networks.nokia.com/news-events/press-room/press-relea...

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4G definitions are still largely being fought over, and you're gonna try and jam "5G" down my throat?

The entire article is complete speculation, and the sad part is that they don't even talk about the cooler ideas they're coming up with for the specification.

For anyone wondering about 5G I think the coolest thing they've discussed so far is breaking down the different use cases (people in home, people traveling on trains, vs working in an office building) because these put completely different types of strain on a network. They're trying to come up with sub specifications to encompass more types of network use cases rather than thinking "xG is for cellular phones" it'll be more like 5Gx is spectrum/protocol for home internet, 5Gy is the spectrum/protocol the phone uses. Although from a marketing prospective this will sound like "Bring 5G to your home."

Honestly I'm surprised that didn't happen with 4G, I know there are things like Clearwire (I think they were bought by sprint?) but it wasn't a huge move from physical infrastructure.

For some more realistic info on what's happening:

https://www.ngmn.org/uploads/media/NGMN_5G_White_Paper_V1_0....

EDIT:

On a small note, this is "finalized" pdf but in reality it will change when implementation occurs.

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> With 5G, downloading feature-length movies could take less than five seconds.

> With 4G, downloading feature-length movies could take as long as eight minutes.

Am I wrong in thinking that an operator would prefer to keep their antenna busy for only 5 seconds instead of for 8 minutes? If this is the case, if they have enough bandwidth to the antenna, they should try to move people to 5G quickly.

But you still need 90 minutes to watch the movie and you probably reach the monthly cap with only a few movies, so maybe this is not the main use case for 5G. The reduced latency to 1 ms is much more interesting.

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> What 5G Will Mean for You Absolutely nothing for the next 20 years, seeing how my carrier just started deploying LTE (50 MBit, that is, not 300 MBit) at eye-watering costs ($20 a month for 5 gigabytes!).

Over the next 20 years, how confident are you that you won't switch carriers and your carrier won't start to move any faster?

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> What 5G Will Mean for You Absolutely nothing for the next 20 years, seeing how my carrier just started deploying LTE (50 MBit, that is, not 300 MBit) at eye-watering costs ($20 a month for 5 gigabytes!).

There has to be a way to reduce costs somehow. Is there any real reason besides greed for data caps to remain low/costly? Simultaneous usage (with everybody at peak speed) is/has to be planned for (assuming most plans reset at 1st of the month). That network is just sitting there costing money, why not utilize it more and increase revenue?

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Personally, I'm just hoping that 3G will eventually make it to England. That seems more realistic, though I don't doubt that the Bay Area will be happily basking in this 5G niceness by the time it happens.

I just got back from 3 months in Southeast Asia, and it's just baffling to me how I could get fast data to my phone in virtually unlimited quantities, out in the sticks of rural Cambodia, for five dollars. But coming back to England, my town of 25,000 people has neither working DSL nor cellular data.

I keep a 3G router in the desk drawer to battle the bi-weekly half-day outages that BT routinely delivers, but that also will happily drop down to 300 baud if anybody else in town decides to use the internet at the same time.

It is certainly solvable. But the monopoly internet supplier doesn't seem to have it as a priority to supply internet.

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4G definitions are still largely being fought over, and you're gonna try and jam "5G" down my throat? The entire article is complete speculation, and the sad part is that they don't even talk about the cooler ideas they're coming up with for the specification. For anyone wondering about 5G I think the coolest thing they've discussed so far is breaking down the different use cases (people in home, people traveling on…

>They're trying to come up with sub specifications to encompass more types of network use cases rather than thinking "xG is for cellular phones" it'll be more like 5Gx is spectrum/protocol for home internet, 5Gy is the spectrum/protocol the phone uses. Although from a marketing prospective this will sound like "Bring 5G to your home."

Intermingling the data and transport layers initially strikes me as a bad thing. What am I missing?

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