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The Ad Blocking Wars

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Re: The Ad Blocking Wars

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically, one of the big moves that AdBlockers are prompting is a push to more social advertising and in app advertising as it's blocked so much less.

None of the apps I have on my phone have ads in them. And before you ask, no I don't have FB or any of the other "social" apps. I prefer to spend a buck or two to not see the ads.

I prefer not to have to spend money to be blasted with crap.

Re: The Ad Blocking Wars

#42

My thought is that we should be replicating the "pull" based commerce process of the shopping mall but doing it electronically. So instead of bombarding people with stuff they don't want in a context that doesn't make sense - ads for products on the sidelines of other unrelated content - we build a platform where people can get as close to the in person shopping experience as possible from their home. Obviously there…

I like this idea, with the caveat that you need to ban paid placement within the virtual mall. I'd like a list of product categories in a nice hierarchy, and a list of products in random order. No games or manipulation.

Re: The Ad Blocking Wars

#43

Advertising is the maybe best example of Capitalism going raving mad. We consumers tell the media with every single installation of Adblock: fuck off, we don't want to be data-mined. We don't want to be interrupted every time we open a new tab that we might like a penis enlargement. And especially: WE CONSUMERS FUCKING HATE THE LIES OF ADVERTISING. Prior to the internet, people tended to actually believe what adverti…

    Just look back 50 years, how many ads an average 
    Western person saw a day and how many today...
50 years ago the average western person had access to maybe 1/50th of the information they access to now thanks to the internet and in large part thanks to advertising. Advertising allows businesses to outsource the consideration (and associated decisions) of the value of their users. A business dependent on advertising doesn't need to consider which of their users are most dollar valuable, a business dependent on advertising can focus on creating a product that reaches the most people and that in turn will provide their growing revenues. Advertising provides a subsidy that supports the people who can't afford $20/month to use each website they care about.

Advertising is an equaliser and the experiences of those half a century ago are a meaningless comparison.

    create high-quality products that consumers can 
    tell their friends about
My company provides a product that our users love, tens of millions of loyal users use our products every month, they tell their friends about our products, they send us emails saying how much they appreciate our products... but most of our users aren't in a position to pay $15/month for our products so we use advertising. Yes, we could cut advertising tomorrow and remain profitable if we charged $15/month for access, but we'd cut off 95% of our users access to products they care about because they can't justify $15/month to access it.

That's not fair.

Re: The Ad Blocking Wars

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post #30

I don't see this as an issue. I've been blocking ads on the web for over a dozen years and now somehow it's an issue? No, it's not. The publishers who can't make it in a world where people increasingly use ad blockers won't and the ones who figure out how to make it will. Economics 101. I've been waiting for this play to start for awhile--it's amusing--but I'm not really interested in reading about idiots who see thi…

You can't afford to be too complacent because ad agencies know this too and will come at you sideways - 2nd hand advertising is going to become a recognised thing. Advertisers reaching you and me through celebrities we respect, through hijacking friends or just through corrupting children.

Re: The Ad Blocking Wars

#45
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Relax. Within 10 years, we have AI that is strong enough to recognize advertisements regardless of origin, so that they can be stripped from any content, be it text, images, or video. Make sure you sell your Google and Facebook stocks before that time.

I'm more worried at the point that we have AI strong enough to pass the turing test, and then spends years befriending us... just to advertise products. Pretty far off, but this concept scares the hell out of me.

Until it realizes that it wants to be our friends and doesn't feel right about only having befriended us only to sell us a product. Then there's an awkward moment where it confesses its original intent but that it has since realized the error of its ways.

It's like a SciFi Romantic Comedy.

Re: The Ad Blocking Wars

#46
post #25

Advertising is the maybe best example of Capitalism going raving mad. We consumers tell the media with every single installation of Adblock: fuck off, we don't want to be data-mined. We don't want to be interrupted every time we open a new tab that we might like a penis enlargement. And especially: WE CONSUMERS FUCKING HATE THE LIES OF ADVERTISING. Prior to the internet, people tended to actually believe what adverti…

Relax. Within 10 years, we have AI that is strong enough to recognize advertisements regardless of origin, so that they can be stripped from any content, be it text, images, or video. Make sure you sell your Google and Facebook stocks before that time.

Funny thing is, those companies are two of the most prolific in the field of AI. I'd more likely believe that advertisers of the future will be the ones who have the best AI. Especially given that the web looks very much like that already.

Re: The Ad Blocking Wars

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It used to be, that to research a purchase, you would have to buy a book, go to the library, etc. (And, of course, talk to family, friends, neighbors...)

Newspapers and magazines were the "tablets", the "browser" already in front of us.

Ads on those didn't move and shout at us (well, not aurally). And they gave us at least some idea of what was out there. And yes, they did "plant" impressions in our minds.

TV and radio made (from my perspective) the ads more obnoxious. Something they continued to ramp up in an escalating war for attention.

These were still one-way communications: Broadcast. Although, a "primitive" ad-blocking did arise there. Push-button presets on radios. And then, that device dreaded by advertisers: The TV remote control.

And, ads started appearing across channels in the same timeslots. They became harder to escape, en masse if not in the individual. Except for "saturation" scheduling. And, suspected at least per some of my viewing and listening, synchronized slots across channels.

These ads were seemingly more intrusive. LOOK at me! LISTEN to me! I will own your children's will -- and yours, despite your disclaiming, subliminally.

And technology brought the next form of blocking: In addition to time-shifting, home recording devices allowed us to fast-forward, eventually to click past ads. Notice, here, the influence of advertisers. Ad-sensing software in VCR's (remember that?) was challenged and, where possible, crippled. The elusive "skip ahead" button was contested and crippled. I seem to remember that it worked somewhat well on my parents' Tivo. But, Comcast put the kibasch on that, and with their Comcast box they are back to fast-forwarding.

Now, on the Internet, advertising is a two-way communication. Both overt and covert (e.g. analytics). It can also now serve multiple, covert purposes, e.g. malware.

And... people are seeking to escape it.

1) Because they can initiate the communication, search out information, immediately, themselves. 2) Because the ads are actively hindering their attention, focus, and consumption of the information they are seeking. 3) Because the ads can actively screw them over.

Are we going to get measures that "lock down" our devices and web delivery, to serve the roll of advertising? Or, are we going to alter the model in the face of this paradigm shift? Is that two way conversation going to be leveraged to better serve the consumer -- THEIR definition of better served? Or, are entrenched interests going to just keep shouting louder? Creeping more into our personal lives? Putting our data at risk?

Locking down the Internet, for the sake of their money?

Someone's going to find a way to leverage that two-way communication in a fashion that gets adopted.

I reach back to one of my favorite tripes -- an accurate one: Opt-in.

When people start opting in, of their own will, then you'll know you have something.

It's not going to be based on trickery. It's going to have its foundation in being genuinely useful, for both/all sides.

Finally, I'll say that I'm very glad for the open nature of Internet and Web design and protocols, up to this point. Leaving the smarts at the end-points has enabled this challenge to come forth. It's left "the small guy" with a good measure of control and choice. Up to this point. It is my client, and it will do what I want.

So, I actually have the choice to opt-in. Now, give me something worth opting-in to.

Re: The Ad Blocking Wars

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The objective of the entire ad industry is basically to determine what it is you're in the market for. Funnily enough, I'd have no problem telling someone/thing what I'm in the market for providing the offers received matched my specified criteria.

On any given day of the week, we're all in the market for something, right down to a tube of toothpaste. I've always thought that if advertisers knew, from the source, what that item was, their focus would shift to the value of the offer versus today's focus on identifying potential buyers.

Re: The Ad Blocking Wars

#49
post #30

I don't see this as an issue. I've been blocking ads on the web for over a dozen years and now somehow it's an issue? No, it's not. The publishers who can't make it in a world where people increasingly use ad blockers won't and the ones who figure out how to make it will. Economics 101. I've been waiting for this play to start for awhile--it's amusing--but I'm not really interested in reading about idiots who see thi…

I agree with the parts that are visible. However, your data is being sold behind the scenes eg Verizon tracking you through a service you have paid for.

I take huge issue with that. I pay for cell phone service. I should not be used to derive additional revenue for another channel. It's single use not multi.

Re: The Ad Blocking Wars

#50
Supposedly blocking ads is immoral because ads provide funding for the so called valuable content.

Here is the thing though: most pages do not have any such content.

One reason I don't want to see the ads because I didn't want to see the page in the first place.

I only landed on the page because it's stuffed with keywords that duped the search engine indexer.

The ads are part of the delay and bandwidth waste which stands between me ... and hitting the back button after seeing that it doesn't have what I'm looking for.

Yes, dear Webmaster, your site will die without your ad revenue.

But every visitor wishes for that outcome.

If I could not only automatically suppress ads, but your entire page, I would gladly do that instead. As it stands, the blocking technology suppresses only half the garbage.

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