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Re: Google Buzz

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Post by murrayb »

fnid2 wrote: post #90

I wonder if, when a company crosses a threshold we all think violates a Nash equilibrium, we start to oppose the company. With this move, Google is declaring war on a host of web companies that are heretofore thriving and collaborating and making tons of money. Every dollar of advertising that Facebook makes is a dollar or even more from Google. Every minute that facebookers facebook, google isn't showing them ads an…

> With this move, Google is declaring war on a host of web companies that are heretofore thriving and collaborating and making tons of money.

Actually I think Google is just escalating their war with FB, the other companies you refer to could end up being collateral damage though.

Re: Google Buzz

#152

Post by delackner »

Pahalial wrote: post #88
agotterer wrote: post #3

Doesn't add a Buzz option to my gmail. Working for anyone else?

If you use the mobile UI and have someone comment on your post, it will send the thread to your inbox. Trying to reply to that thread will then force-update your gmail to include Buzz (or at least, it worked for me.)

on iphone I see the buzz UI, despite it not being visible before on a normal PC browser. Thanks!

Re: Google Buzz

#153

Post by portman »

Pahalial wrote: post #88
agotterer wrote: post #3

Doesn't add a Buzz option to my gmail. Working for anyone else?

If you use the mobile UI and have someone comment on your post, it will send the thread to your inbox. Trying to reply to that thread will then force-update your gmail to include Buzz (or at least, it worked for me.)

This did not work for me, either. sadTrombone

Re: Google Buzz

#154

Post by lanstein »

intellectronica wrote: post #5

Is Google becoming the new Microsoft? Not in the evil sense, but in the lame me-too products that rely on brute force (their huge install base) and no innovation to hopelessly try to compete sense.

How exactly is Wave not innovative? Not to mention the obvious GMail, Earth, Maps, Adwords/Adsense, ...

Re: Google Buzz

#155

Post by alagu »

qeorge wrote: post #130
FreeRadical wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think in most corporates (outside the software industry) it's the other way around. I can't access gmail/hotmail but can access social networks at work (in finance).

I've asked a couple of friends with corporate jobs, and they said Gmail is usually open but FB is blocked. They also said it doesn't matter, because everyone has a smartphone. Not a great data point, but interesting none the less.

These days the main reason for blocking FB - Farmville. It has made people ludicrously unproductive.

Next thing we could expect is a Farmville in Gmail.

Re: Google Buzz

#156

Post by artagnon »

intellectronica wrote: post #5

Is Google becoming the new Microsoft? Not in the evil sense, but in the lame me-too products that rely on brute force (their huge install base) and no innovation to hopelessly try to compete sense.

The difference is quite simple.

Microsoft started off with an unpopular operating system, and forced it down users' throats by tying up with the hardware manufacturers. Users don't have much of a choice in the matter. I think they lost contact with their end users at some point. Today, they're stuck with the NIH syndrome, and keep running around in circles, without making an effort to understand the way the market/ competition has changed.

Google started off making good useful (and I'd say innovative) products like Google Search and GMail. They got their users to like them and focused heavily on keeping up with their customers' wants. They post pictures of their office, and talk about their "cool" work culture, and manage to get the public drooling all over. Microsoft didn't think any of this was important. At some point, Google will probably start becoming a sloppy uninteresting company that forces new products down their existing customers' throats. Still, a smarter successor.

Re: Google Buzz

#157

Post by adrianwaj »

qeorge wrote: post #150
moultano wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people can't figure out RSS readers, and twitter lets you read and write in the same interface. Everything else about twitter is an anti-feature, including the post length limit.

The main reason for the 140 char limit is SMS. When it launched, Twitter was mostly a way to do a sort of SMS listserv. I wouldn't call the 140 char limit an anti-feature either. Its become a key differentiation point, and is in many ways what makes Twitter Twitter.

You can say a lot on 140 chars, also if something's junk you know quickly to not read it. It also doesn't take a lot of screen room, thus there's a lot of data available without a scroll down.

It would be interesting to have a 140, 700, 5000, unlimited character filters in Buzz. If its display algorithm was used well, it could work out if long posts from a particular person were usually not worth reading to most people.

Re: Google Buzz

#158

Post by vegashacker »

lanstein wrote: post #154
intellectronica wrote: post #5

Is Google becoming the new Microsoft? Not in the evil sense, but in the lame me-too products that rely on brute force (their huge install base) and no innovation to hopelessly try to compete sense.

How exactly is Wave not innovative? Not to mention the obvious GMail, Earth, Maps, Adwords/Adsense, ...

The difference is that I still don't really get what Wave's about, and I think a lot of folks agree. I still remember the first time I saw Google Maps--I got it instantly, and I was blown away. And the intial value proposition of Gmail (a gig of storage) was obvious too.

Re: Google Buzz

#159

Post by fan »

fnid2 wrote: post #90

I wonder if, when a company crosses a threshold we all think violates a Nash equilibrium, we start to oppose the company. With this move, Google is declaring war on a host of web companies that are heretofore thriving and collaborating and making tons of money. Every dollar of advertising that Facebook makes is a dollar or even more from Google. Every minute that facebookers facebook, google isn't showing them ads an…

What game does this Nash Equilibrium correspond to? How are we modeling the world such that the eqm. changes?

I don't see the "shift" as obvious at all.

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