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Re: The Daily Mail Stole My Visualization Twice

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Post by grawlinson » Fri, Feb 19, 2016, 11:20 PM UTC

lostlogin wrote: post #104

squeaky-clean wrote: post #64

> I made an alert pop up that said “poop” whenever someone loaded the Stuff.co.nz page. Like I said, I'm sophisticated. I would probably have handled this much less maturely, haha. What would be the legality of displaying some really graphic image (like goatse) to only 10% of users when you detect you're within an iframe? :P Ripping the source code of the visualization is so scummy though. I wish I could say I can't…

I think the NZ Herald is worse than stuff. A meaningful percentage of their content is now Reddit stories.

Real journalism is dead.

What passes for journalism these days is just edits of media releases.

Sad state of affairs.

Re: The Daily Mail Stole My Visualization Twice

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Post by madaxe_again » Sat, Feb 20, 2016, 12:13 PM UTC

mahyarm wrote: post #139

notahacker wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know Keynes is the default bogeyman in some circles of economic thinking, but I'm really struggling to see the link between established corporations having brands and governments running countercyclical policy... Bearing in mind most newspapers' circulation is crashing and Buzzfeed got very big very quickly peddling similarly lowbrow content, I'm not even convinced the market power of print media is that high.

I'm guessing the nepotism argument goes as so: Keynes gov't economic stimulus is created by the gov't, and people with good connections to the gov't are the recipients of this stimulus, causing nepotism to flourish. The stimulus is not distributed evenly to the economy and thus increases economic inequality. The entire bank bailout & QE seems like a similar situation in the USA. Who got all the QE cash? The banks, no…

Correct - today it's a congressman or mp, 100 years ago it was a lord or governor, before that, the aristocracy.

We still have an aristocracy, or plutarchy, in fact. I come from deep within the belly of the beast and know the people who know the people and you would not believe how bent it all is. Everuthing happens behind closed doors, we just see the punch and judy show after the event.

Re: The Daily Mail Stole My Visualization Twice

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Post by madaxe_again » Sat, Feb 20, 2016, 12:13 PM UTC

mahyarm wrote: post #139

notahacker wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know Keynes is the default bogeyman in some circles of economic thinking, but I'm really struggling to see the link between established corporations having brands and governments running countercyclical policy... Bearing in mind most newspapers' circulation is crashing and Buzzfeed got very big very quickly peddling similarly lowbrow content, I'm not even convinced the market power of print media is that high.

I'm guessing the nepotism argument goes as so: Keynes gov't economic stimulus is created by the gov't, and people with good connections to the gov't are the recipients of this stimulus, causing nepotism to flourish. The stimulus is not distributed evenly to the economy and thus increases economic inequality. The entire bank bailout & QE seems like a similar situation in the USA. Who got all the QE cash? The banks, no…

Correct - today it's a congressman or mp, 100 years ago it was a lord or governor, before that, the aristocracy.

We still have an aristocracy, or plutarchy, in fact. I come from deep within the belly of the beast and know the people who know the people and you would not believe how bent it all is. Everuthing happens behind closed doors, we just see the punch and judy show after the event.

Re: The Daily Mail Stole My Visualization Twice

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Post by chrisbennet » Sat, Feb 20, 2016, 1:40 PM UTC

joepie91_ wrote: post #122

They embedded/copied/proxied it. They did not 'steal' it. Regardless of whether you find their behaviour acceptable, those are two very, very different things.

And when someone "steals" your identity, they didn't really steal it right?

Re: The Daily Mail Stole My Visualization Twice

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Post by jm_l » Tue, Feb 23, 2016, 4:35 PM UTC

gedrap wrote: post #133

jm_l wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another potential alternative: large trustworthy media outlets form a committee themselves, develop some review process for adding a stamp to the top of their sites that says something like "American Online Journalist" and thereby encourage good journalism in a way that's good for business without interference with the free market.

Then what? People, who are reading Daily Mail, will say 'oh nooo it doesn't have the stamp'? No, doubt you care about these things if you're reading it. And you know what? It's fine. If we don't like some things and don't see them right, doesn't mean that everyone else should. Some people like tabloids and that's alright. We can't force people to like The Right Thing.

I absolutely agree with you. My idea is that perhaps the worst thing about a site that claims to report news but doesn't do good journalism is just that it claims to report news. I don't think people would or should stop reading sites that don't have the stamp, I just think there are ways to allow for macro-organizations without suggesting that "the way we do it is the only way, except for complete government control."