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Harper Lee has died

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Re: Harper Lee has died

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“Real courage is when you know you're licked before you begin, but you begin anyway and see it through no matter what.” That is one of my favorite quotes of all times, specifically taking into account the setting of the book.

This sounds like an armchair-philosopher platitude to me.

Re: Harper Lee has died

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While this is tragic news, this really doesn't feel at all correlated to HackerNews.

If people find the submission intellectually gratifying then it conforms to the spirit of Hacker News submission guidelines. Given the impact of Harper Lee's writing on US culture, it is not surprising if many people do.

I suppose the free form nature of HackerNews and the wide sprawling community make a lot of topics fair game. I recant my sentiment.

Re: Harper Lee has died

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not snobby in the slightest. A friend put it best: "George RR Martin is a great storyteller, but he's no great writer"

I think it's a bummer that all the popular fantasy is not the best writing. (I do quite enjoy GRRM and Abercrombie.) Are there any, may lesser known, fantasy that is more literary?

Pratchett was a genius when it came to knowing just the right phrase to conjure up an image, although reading all the Discworld novels in one go as I am at the moment reveals he's not quite so good at the storytelling side, often dragging on a few chapters too long.

Re: Harper Lee has died

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post #29

“Real courage is when you know you're licked before you begin, but you begin anyway and see it through no matter what.” That is one of my favorite quotes of all times, specifically taking into account the setting of the book.

What does it mean to be 'licked'?

Re: Harper Lee has died

#85

I couldn't stand most of the books I had to read in high school, especially To Kill a Mockingbird. Others included The Great Gatsby, & Lord of the Flies. All awful books IMO, & still dreadfully awful. I can't believe American culture thought (still thinks?) those books were good. Luckily I read books that I liked on the side to make up for it.

I have to agree. I wonder if part of the general illiteracy is a reaction to the dreck that we are forced to read in school.

At least in high school English classes you get to read some legitimate literature. In middle school, I remember being subjected to an unending string of aggressively mediocre young-adult historical fiction and science fiction that featured teen-aged girls as protagonists by my all-female English teachers. Hard to summon much enthusiasm for that kind of thing when Arthur Clarke, Heinlein, Frank Herbert, Asimov, Ben Bova, Tom Clancy, Robert Ludlum, Ken Follett, Jules Verne, H.G. Wells, Conan Doyle, Tolkien, Robert Jordan and George RR Martin beckon.

Re: Harper Lee has died

#86
post #29

“Real courage is when you know you're licked before you begin, but you begin anyway and see it through no matter what.” That is one of my favorite quotes of all times, specifically taking into account the setting of the book.

What does it mean to be 'licked'?

screwed, doomed, destined to fail.

Re: Harper Lee has died

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post #29

“Real courage is when you know you're licked before you begin, but you begin anyway and see it through no matter what.” That is one of my favorite quotes of all times, specifically taking into account the setting of the book.

What does it mean to be 'licked'?

Slang for "beaten".

Re: Harper Lee has died

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post #29

“Real courage is when you know you're licked before you begin, but you begin anyway and see it through no matter what.” That is one of my favorite quotes of all times, specifically taking into account the setting of the book.

This sounds like an armchair-philosopher platitude to me.

Taken out of context, it would be. In context though it's a very important part of the novel. Atticus is telling his son that the next door neighbor who he loathed actually had real courage, not the kind you have with a gun in your hand but courage to stick to your principles all the way to death. Jem and Scout had been hero-worshipping their father a bit since the incident with the rabid dog and he's telling them that here's a different kind of couragee and one he admires more. It also foreshadows Atticus's own upcoming battle to stick to his principles in an impossible situation where he's licked already - and can't use a gun either.

Re: Harper Lee has died

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post #85

I couldn't stand most of the books I had to read in high school, especially To Kill a Mockingbird. Others included The Great Gatsby, & Lord of the Flies. All awful books IMO, & still dreadfully awful. I can't believe American culture thought (still thinks?) those books were good. Luckily I read books that I liked on the side to make up for it.

I have to agree. I wonder if part of the general illiteracy is a reaction to the dreck that we are forced to read in school. At least in high school English classes you get to read some legitimate literature. In middle school, I remember being subjected to an unending string of aggressively mediocre young-adult historical fiction and science fiction that featured teen-aged girls as protagonists by my all-female Engli…

Tolkien is dreck. There I said it. It took my over a year to read Fellowship of the Ring because of how indescribably boring it is.

Re: Harper Lee has died

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I loved "To Kill a Mockingbird" so much when I read it as a kid. The moral of the story seemed really obvious. In the last few years I came across this article which blew my mind and changed my perspective about the book's meaning a lot: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/08/10/the-courthouse-...

Gladwell is attempting to make the point that systemic racism took more than hearts and minds to be changed.

I wholeheartedly disagree. In fact, the only way you can change systemic problems is to convince the minds and hearts of people to change.

You cannot simply make new laws and expect everything to go smoothly if few people have changed their minds or hearts. How will you enforce the new laws?

And furthermore, he wasted a whole lot of his time and mine trying to reveal the disparity between the novel Harper Lee wrote and the one she should have written. Why?

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