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Re: Google Cloud Vision API enters Beta

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Post by jpatokal »

jfoster wrote: post #47
chippy wrote: post #33

I couldn't find a specific legal SLA for this new service. Does anyone know if: 1) by using the service you grant Google use of the uploaded images. (e.g. they can use your image to increase their corpus, improve the service or use it for advertising, or use it to extract street numbers for their maps, or its always private and never stored) 2) What the resulting copyright is of the returned data. If you were to buil…

Re (2): The answer to that sort of question doesn't even seem clear for other, more widely used Google products. I'm thinking Google Translate or the fonts in their office suite. Both things that most people probably don't think too much about the copyright implications of, but possibly should.

The copyright status of the vast majority of Google fonts is clear: they're open-source. https://www.google.com/fonts

Regarding translations: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikilegal/Copyright_for_Goog...

Re: Google Cloud Vision API enters Beta

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Post by philip142au »

yrezgui wrote: post #98
teh wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have pricing information available anywhere? All I can see is [1] but that's not really interesting. Compare with [2] which makes it quite easy to guess how much I'd pay. [1] http://www.alchemyapi.com/products/contact-sales [2] https://cloud.google.com/vision/pricing

Hi Teh, I'm a IBM Watson Developer Evangelist. The pricing is available here when you click on Standard plan: https://console.ng.bluemix.net/catalog/alchemy_api/

You make it too inconvenient to get started as compared to the others, its about convenience and simplicity for on boarding people.

Re: Google Cloud Vision API enters Beta

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Post by yrezgui »

philip142au wrote: post #102
yrezgui wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi Teh, I'm a IBM Watson Developer Evangelist. The pricing is available here when you click on Standard plan: https://console.ng.bluemix.net/catalog/alchemy_api/

You make it too inconvenient to get started as compared to the others, its about convenience and simplicity for on boarding people.

Hi Philip, can you drop me a mail at yrezgui [at] uk.ibm.com, I would be happy to have a chat with you :)

Re: Google Cloud Vision API enters Beta

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Post by tommoor »

spoiler wrote: post #87
tommoor wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, this is an exciting api but the pricing puts it out of reach for a lot of applications

I'd like to preface this with the fact that I have next to zero experience about the topic of pricing/charging for such service's, so what I say might sound naïve, but… Is it really that expensive, though? I mean I can see it being expensive if you use it inside a product you offer for free, but if it's a commercial product, I imagine the pricing isn't that much especially if you consider that using your own infrastr…

Once the networks are trained it's probably very cheap to run the service.

But I guess that's my point, the pricing puts it out of reach of free or cheaper subscription products. Even the robot example they give in the video to achieve that functionality it would have to be taking a picture every couple of seconds or so and uploading them to the cloud - at that rate it would cost almost $5 for 15mins of use!

Re: Google Cloud Vision API enters Beta

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Post by cfcef »

jfoster wrote: post #3

I feel like this is some really compelling tech. It would be so amazing to build stuff with this in mind. I wouldn't be comfortable doing it, though. This sort of API is available only until Google decide that they don't want it to be available. There's not really anything close to equivalent that you could drop in to replace it if it were being shut down, the price were being hiked, or you had some sort of other iss…

You're being paranoid for several reasons. First, you will presumably be keeping the classifications you get from the API (if for no other reason than $2/1000 can really add up and why would you do that to yourself?). Second, Google has historically always had very generous end-of-life announcements. Third, there are already a number of competitors, including the trained CNNs Google has already released. Fourth, even if there were no competitors nor pre-trained models, deep learning is increasingly accessible and you could learn to imitate a past ImageNet-winning CNN in Torch/Theano/Tensflow/etc and train it within a few weeks. Fifth, paid Google services tend to hang around longer. Sixth, machine learning is a major part of Google and they are increasingly rolling it out to their services and may well be using this API themselves, making closing it not such a great idea.

So you're passing up what could be substantial benefits, Google isn't going to close it anytime soon, if they do you will have months of warning, and can easily replace it with a competitor or your own.

Re: Google Cloud Vision API enters Beta

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Post by dk8996 »

pilooch wrote: post #94
dk8996 wrote: post #92

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We looked at Watson a few month back and it didn't seem as good as some of the other image tagging APIs. Maybe we should look into this again.

Once you're on to training and not using off-the-shelf models, there are several good open source packages out there, from digits to deepdetect. It is not that difficult anymore to get at least a first model with decent accuracy.

Its a big challenge creating a good training set for start-ups or companies without expertise.

Re: Google Cloud Vision API enters Beta

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Post by misiti3780 »

nl wrote: post #77
misiti3780 wrote: post #73

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can you provide some links ?

TensorFlow: https://www.tensorflow.org/ TensorFlow Serving: https://github.com/tensorflow/serving ReCeption (actually they call in Inception v3. Not sure where I got the ReCeption name - though I'm sure I read it somewhere?): https://www.tensorflow.org/versions/r0.7/tutorials/image_rec... Using a SVN on neural network extracted features: http://blog.christianperone.com/2015/08/convolutional-neural... If you want a qu…

thanks!

Re: Google Cloud Vision API enters Beta

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Post by misiti3780 »

dgacmu wrote: post #76
misiti3780 wrote: post #73

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can you provide some links ?

https://www.tensorflow.org/ https://www.tensorflow.org/versions/r0.7/tutorials/image_rec... http://googleresearch.blogspot.com/2016/02/running-your-mode...

thanks!

Re: Google Cloud Vision API enters Beta

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Post by arondeparon »

stevesearer wrote: post #2

I would definitely pay for a WordPress plugin that uses this as I manually tag photos on my site with a lot of standard things this could probably just knock out in a flash.

Hi, noticed your comment and just wanted to let you know that, during the alpha testing phase, I actually made this. It's somewhat rough and unreleased now, but I am wondering what you would expect from such a plugin. Could you answer some of these questions?

- Would you primarily use the plugin to auto-tag uploads in the admin area? - Would you have problems with getting your own Google API key (and thus billing via Google), or would you expect the plugin to take care of this as well? - Any other expectations?

As said, what I have now is not really release-worthy, but I can get it to that point in a matter of days.

Thanks.

- Aron

Re: Google Cloud Vision API enters Beta

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Post by jfoster »

cfcef wrote: post #105
jfoster wrote: post #3

I feel like this is some really compelling tech. It would be so amazing to build stuff with this in mind. I wouldn't be comfortable doing it, though. This sort of API is available only until Google decide that they don't want it to be available. There's not really anything close to equivalent that you could drop in to replace it if it were being shut down, the price were being hiked, or you had some sort of other iss…

You're being paranoid for several reasons. First, you will presumably be keeping the classifications you get from the API (if for no other reason than $2/1000 can really add up and why would you do that to yourself?). Second, Google has historically always had very generous end-of-life announcements. Third, there are already a number of competitors, including the trained CNNs Google has already released. Fourth, even…

That makes sense. Cheers!
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