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Why Don't People Manage Debt Better?

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Re: Why Don't People Manage Debt Better?

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Better question: why do people buy things they can't afford and most often don't need, putting themselves in this position? So many of my peers don't make a lot of money, but then still go out and buy a new or newish/used car and put themselves on a multiyear payment plan. "Oh but it's only 200 a month, I can swing that". Repeat for like 3-4 other things and suddenly they're always complaining they have no money and…

MMM isn't retired, he is a handyman and ad-supported blogger.

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While I agree in that it obviously is not the smartest way of doing that, if it gets people to actually feel like they have a plan for taking care of their debt and to start making progress on doing so, then it's worth it. Obviously they probably shouldn't have bought a bunch of things they didn't need, but hindsight's always 20/20.

This whole idea that "oh you have multiple creditors obviously you've made bad decisions" is misguided and naive in the extreme. People have medical bills. People need the counsel of attorneys. You generally need a reliable car to get to work and a roof over your head. You can have huge mountains of debt and be forced to dig your way out by the skin of your teeth through no fault of your own. Paying hundreds a month…

There is no reason to use credit cards for these sorts of debts.

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I don't understand these reward schemes. Surely they are being funded by higher merchant fees, which means merchants charge more, which just means that the rewards are a transfer scheme between people who pay by cash/unrewarded cards and those with rewards cards.

There's a lot of truth to that (cash paying customers pay the same, even though the cost to serve them is less). But unrewarded cards aren't really any different. Most merchants still have to pay the same high fee for them. Since the bank/processor is going to take the maximum amount of money they can regardless, and most merchants will have to pay that full fee regardless, you might as well use a rewards card over a…

Handling cash isn't free for a merchant. It has to be stored, counted, transported, banked, insured and it's easily stolen. Even though the fees aren't the same cash still has a fee.

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"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." --Albert Allen Bartlett Considering that 97% of the survey participants allocated their debt payments in financially suboptimal ways, perhaps the second greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the compound interest. "Put God in your debt. Every stroke shall be repaid. The longer the paym…

Compound interest == exponential function.

Not understand that is our greatest shortcoming :-)

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Could someone well-versed with bankruptcy please explain the pros/cons of going that route? I have heard that credit card debt is essentially free money because filing for bankruptcy will wipe out all the debt. If you already own a home/car, and have no intention of getting a loan in the next 10 years, what is wrong with this strategy?

A pesky thing called morality and the fact that incurring debt with the intention of later going bankrupt is fraud?

Don't be moral with corporations that have no intention of being moral with you. The National Mortgage Foundation defaulted on its own mortgage!

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I would advise people not to lend money to friends and family. I have done it several times and every time it led to problems and a lot of pain.

Giving money, that can work. With a glad heart.

People won't accept gifts. Give a "loan" but treat it like a gift --never mention the balance ask for the repayments.

Re: Why Don't People Manage Debt Better?

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When a late payment is $39.99 and a mark on your credit record, even the smallest, lowest-interest debts become high-risk. Reducing the number of risks (and mental energy managing them) easily outweighs the interest differences. When you have to spend a 1/2 day to refinance a credit-card to an unsecured personal loan, it's not always a clear win: you might not get the loan, or the loan offered might have significantl…

Hmm.. I agree with this a bit, but I think (like all things) the answer lies in the middle. Speaking purely from anecdotes, I'm well versed in the math behind interest rates and debt management, yet I still find myself with urges compelling me to pay off smaller debts first. This is even when it takes no mental energy for me to manage my current situation because my payments are set up to automatically deduct. I think my own urges come simply from wanting to feel like the money I spend on a car payment is suddenly "freed up" and available, despite losing money by allocating it from other mathematically better uses of that money. I recognize that this is a misguided notion, but it's still tough to get away from, and I believe it has some to do with how my brain accounts for losses versus gains.

Now I'm also not saying that your situation doesn't happen either, so I'd still say this article is useful if it helps anybody who is truly misevaluating their debt situation to rectify it and pay less interest overall.

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This is showing that the Dave Ramsey "debt snowball" (pay off smallest debts first to get a psychological win and some breathing room by having fewer minimum payments) is a more effective way to get people to pay off many separate debts than paying off "highest interest rate first" even if it is less optimal for a rational actor. Just another case of people aren't 100% rational that many people have known for a while…

Yes, in his course he explicitly explains this strategy is in deference to human psychology. Even if paying towards highest interest debts is mathematically optimal, better to have a strategy you are likely to stick with, than a theoretically better strategy you are more likely to eventually abandon.

I've found this train of thought has applications in maintaining an exercise routine as well. It was more about finding a routine that I'd actually stick to than one that was optimal for fastest/best gains, which was my original (failed) strategy.

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Giving money, that can work. With a glad heart.

People won't accept gifts. Give a "loan" but treat it like a gift --never mention the balance ask for the repayments.

From my experience even that doesn't work. People will feel guilty about not paying and resent you even if you stay quiet. But they also won't pay. At least that's my experience with two members of family and one business partner.

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American Express has a card "Blue Cash Preferred". You get 6% back on Groceries (up to $6k/yr), 3% back on gas, and the card has a $75 annual fee. If you only use the card to spend $100/week on Groceries, you get $312 in cashback rewards. Subtract the $75/yr fee, and Amex paid you $237 to use their card that year. (Amex isn't the only card like this -- there's lots from MasterCard and Visa as well. This card in parti…

I don't understand these reward schemes. Surely they are being funded by higher merchant fees, which means merchants charge more, which just means that the rewards are a transfer scheme between people who pay by cash/unrewarded cards and those with rewards cards.

I realize I'm losing money by paying with cash, because I'm paying the markup for credit card swipes (assuming a retailer that charges the same for credit cards and cash). Even if I can only get back 2% (there are several no-free credit cards that give 2% back on all purchases), that's more than with the cash where I'm paying higher prices and not able to get any of that back with cashback.

Depending on agreement, card type, and other factors, the swipe fee is sometimes higher than 2%, so I don't always get all the difference back.

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