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How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body

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Re: How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body

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I often hear people say, "hm, I'll go meditate on that..." Or a guy I know who says he meditates on his ideas for his art. But actually, that is the complete opposite of what meditation is supposed to be. When properly meditating, the goal is to not concentrate or think about anything. I just point this out because the basics of what meditation actually is are widely misunderstood by most Westerners -- and even some…

Actually, this isn't the case.

Your (mis)understanding (that meditation is spacing out and "not thinking") seems to be the common western one. In my experience, this is usually due to misunderstood ideas about practices like dzogchen or philosophical concepts like dependent origination.

Concentration is actually at the _heart_ of meditation and is a key element of the Buddhist noble eight-fold path.

Mindfulness is merely well-concentrated investigation. Once someone has developed an ability to cultivate sustained, one-pointed attention - they can use this attention to clearly investigate internal and external phenomena.

Many Asian schools have the first four Samatha Jhanas (deeply-concentrated states) as strict prerequisites for beginning Vipassana (insight / mindfulness) practice. Others regard "access concentration" as the only prerequisite.

In any case, a well-concentrated mind is required to clearly observe oneself. Yes, other thoughts will drop away as the mind naturally gravitates toward the joy and rapture of mental seclusion (from disturbing, burdensome thoughts and mental states) - but this is a _byproduct_ of concentration, not a fruit of _avoiding_ concentration.

The concentration states (along with the Brahma Viharas) can also be welcome refuges for when reality starts to come apart as one progresses through the Vipassana Nanas.

These things are very clearly spelled out in the canonical Buddhist texts and especially the commentaries[1][2]. Westerners seeking to "change their brains" do so at their peril without proper guidance. Peeling away the layers of delusion can be a destabilizing process for some[3].

Bhante Henepola Gunaratana's book "Mindfulness in Plain English" is a very accessible (and worthwhile) introduction to the subject[4].

[1] - [pdf] http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/nanamoli/PathofPu...

[2] - [pdf] http://urbandharma.org/pdf1/Path_of_Freedom_Vimuttimagga.pdf

[3] - http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/06/the-dark-k...

[4] - http://www.amazon.com/Mindfulness-English-Bhante-Henepola-Gu...

Re: How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body

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A lot of time? I'd say 30 minutes a day (consistently) is enough to get significant benefits. And after all, don't we all easily waste 30 minutes a day or things which really don't contribute much to our lives? Say, browse reddit or watch a TV show. Personally, I've found that trying to meditate in the middle of the day, even late at night, when I'm all "wired" from/during work, or just everyday life, is hard. What I…

I need to get up way too early, get myself and my children dressed and fed, and commute to work. In the evening it's commute back, eat, get kids to bed, do chores, and then there's about two hours of free time / social things / time to interact with my wife. So about a quarter of available time. I would be a bit more relaxed, I know, it might have other benefits. But not enough, I think.

There is this Zen proverb that goes like this:

"You should sit in meditation for twenty minutes every day -- unless you're too busy. Then you should sit for an hour."

While I don't think it's necessary to sit an hour every day, it does inspire me. In my experience, if you meditate every day for a few weeks/months, you will start feeling more 'grounded'. You'll be more calm in most situations. You will be chasing external happiness less, and just be more content with being. It's pretty hard to describe, but to me, it seems like a good thing.

Re: How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body

#73
post #58

I don't know how unrelated it is but I found playing polyrythmic percussions (4 limbs involved, doesn't have to be loud) often lead to a zen state. Dealing with many different parallel momentums and abstracting over them as one just massage your brain.

That's interesting! It squares with what I've read in books like Mindfulness in Plain English -- that some desirable mental states are achieved when certain harmful habits of the mind are in abeyance.

I'm not sure I fully parse your message. But I too believe that the mind is an odd loop, where you're own self can focus/amplify different emotions and while it may feel absurd by constantly not trying to think or feel it may help rebalance the whole thing.

Re: How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body

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post #25

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> I was suffering every second, Do you realize you are probably suffering every minute even when you don't have to sit quietly? It is enough to be away from the rich source of distraction and immediately a kind of anxiety appears, making you seek the next stimulus. Is it ok to live with such a constant need to be fed with this stream of data?

> "Do you realize you are probably suffering every minute even when you don't have to sit quietly?" Why? Because it's not possible to enjoy it? Because desire is linked to suffering? Here's the thing. I get why ego can get in the way of enjoying things more fully, and that meditation can help give you a broader perspective on life, but I don't buy into the whole superiority that comes from self-denial. I don't think…

> Because desire is linked to suffering?

Unfilled desire is linked to suffering. Filled desires are linked to pleasure, but after fulfilling one desire, another one appears.

It's life. So it's not fulfilling desires but being conscious about how desires are born, and consciously choosing which one to fulfill.

Re: How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body

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post #16

For those of you who consider meditation a bunch of mumbo-jumbo, I get it, for I felt (and sometimes still feel) the same way. But let me try to phrase meditation in the terms I understand it as. We often find ourselves in stressful or difficult situations, we are constantly bombarded by external worries, and we think it is difficult to deal with our problems. However, no matter how big external issues are, the way t…

> interpretations of the world are all in our head I don't think most people are stressed because of "interpretations" of the world rather than very real problems like paying the bills and terrible working conditions.

It's analogous to physical pain. If you're holding your hand on the stove and it burns, it makes you pull your hand away. But some people may be "miswired" and not pull away. But then the solution isn't to give them painkillers and just watch their hand burn its flesh away.

But then again, there is pain that doesn't indicate something fixable. Like chronic back pain. Then it's best to just reduce the pain itself.

Now, how do you differentiate in case of worrying? Probably by asking a trusted friend or family member or someone else if they think your worries are legitimate and what they suggest doing.

But not all stress has a concrete cause, like bills. Sometimes people just get stressed and anxious in general.

I'd wager that some general base level of worry exists in all humanity that comes to surface regardless of wealth and security. I mean, the magazines in rich countries (especially Western Europe) are full of "how do I get happy", "how do I become myself", "how do I unfold my potential" etc. At least in poorer countries people can always point out why they are stressed. They can blame the bills, the credit, the other political side etc.

In places like SV, people live so well, they are past the point of realistic worries, so they don't understand why they don't feel fully happy.

If you have a shitty life in a poor country, without any hope of stepping forward, nobody will think you're depressed. Everyone, including you, will think it's just a natural reaction. I guess this is why depression is such a big topic in rich places and is seen as some whining and bitching in less developed places.

Re: How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body

#76
post #42

While meditation may be helpful in managing stress and other aspects, I am skeptical that it will work if you just meditated for three days.

well that's just what the paper tested for and had a statistically significant result. it's not nearly like 5-year clinical trials, but it's much better than nothing surely.

Re: How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body

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I've had serious anxiety issues and meditation has been the only thing to help significantly. I've spent ~1.5 hours/day meditating for the past six months or so, and I've studied meditation literature pretty seriously for about the past year. At least in my case—and I think this isn't so unusual—there is a steep learning curve: for most people there's just not enough reason to stick with it. That said, at this point…

1.5 hours/day it's a lot, congratulations.

Basically my routine is 10 minutes a day (in the mornings) and after one week doing this in a row I've already started to notice how differently my body react to anxiety.

Later on, how I handle stress changed completely, I started to become numb to harsh events.

Re: How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body

#78

I've had serious anxiety issues and meditation has been the only thing to help significantly. I've spent ~1.5 hours/day meditating for the past six months or so, and I've studied meditation literature pretty seriously for about the past year. At least in my case—and I think this isn't so unusual—there is a steep learning curve: for most people there's just not enough reason to stick with it. That said, at this point…

Thank you for this video. I'm just starting to get interested in the subject, and I think I was approaching it more in the "Meditation Seals" mentality. Glad I saw this video before going in.

Re: How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of time? I'd say 30 minutes a day (consistently) is enough to get significant benefits. And after all, don't we all easily waste 30 minutes a day or things which really don't contribute much to our lives? Say, browse reddit or watch a TV show. Personally, I've found that trying to meditate in the middle of the day, even late at night, when I'm all "wired" from/during work, or just everyday life, is hard. What I…

I need to get up way too early, get myself and my children dressed and fed, and commute to work. In the evening it's commute back, eat, get kids to bed, do chores, and then there's about two hours of free time / social things / time to interact with my wife. So about a quarter of available time. I would be a bit more relaxed, I know, it might have other benefits. But not enough, I think.

I feel the same. I have a 6 month old and 2 year old. I'm an only child and when I was young I had hour and hours (especially in school holidays) to sit, read, play on my computer and think.

Now I have a couple of hours spare a day. I work for about 8.5 hrs and sometimes spend a bit of time in the even programming but mainly find time to exercise/see friends and wife/read or watch TV. It seems to improve as the children get older. I've enjoyed meditating and yoga in the past and I think I will do more in the future, but I also find things like playing an instrument, programming, walking outside to be equally helpful.

Re: How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body

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I've had serious anxiety issues and meditation has been the only thing to help significantly. I've spent ~1.5 hours/day meditating for the past six months or so, and I've studied meditation literature pretty seriously for about the past year. At least in my case—and I think this isn't so unusual—there is a steep learning curve: for most people there's just not enough reason to stick with it. That said, at this point…

I used to meditate for 20 minutes daily, but my mind still acted like a spoiled petulant child, so I upped it to two hours first thing in the morning (in one sitting). I use one of these meditation posters as a focal point: http://zenpusher.com

The results have been profound. My mind is quiet and obedient now. I experience equanimity throughout the day.

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