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Re: Bernie’s Army of Coders

#81
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The exact same folks who Bernie is going to raise taxes for, mind you. He won't really be able to do anything against the 1% (since they own the Congress, and will continue to own it), but upper middle class represents an attractive target for a cash grab to pay for all those nice free rides he's promising to the poor.

> but upper middle class represents an attractive target for a cash grab to pay for all those nice free rides he's promising to the poor. TIL first world social services are "nice free rides promised to the poor."

The free-market capitalism that you are espousing, requires a ‘cash grab’ —or distribution- to function or else it is completely incompatible with technological advancement. Looping structures allow programs to increase output and efficiency on the supply side, enabling startups to undercut company's reliant on manual labor. Advancements in tech allow a single person to run an automated script that does the work of thousands of manual workers (while greatly reducing the risk of human error). However, increased efficiency on the supply side decreases the value of human labor, which consequently decreases purchasing power across the board in every industry where a manual process is replaced. The more industry's that are efficient, the fewer customers capitalists can offer their products and services too. Capitalism can’t work unless there is some degree of a 'free ride to the poor', because the wealthy cant generate revenue if there isn’t a middle class to sell their products to. Its in capitalists best interests to have the poor become the middle class—i.e., because no one can create marginal revenue if there is no one to sell things too (or the value of the good being sold deflates). Without a strong consumer market there is no incentive for anyone to do anything in free market capitalism, because there is no incentive to do something that cannot create enough marginal value to meet ones material need, and because we are all finite beings reliant on external goods to persist, one cannot create value without meeting their material needs. Would it not be a more preferable for a centralized structure to provide everyone with the basics, so everyone could study what interested them and add value to society as a whole. If the govt invested say 60k in each individual, a greater # of people be able to work on advancing the quality of life for our species, finding new worlds to inhabit, and generally speaking — adding marginal value to the way we spend our time. Instead of minds thinking about physics, and how to improve things, minds are thinking about how to survive. Is this state of affairs not a huge deadweight loss of humanity’s time? A Sanders administration would hopefully be a small, necessary, and peaceful step in the logical direction.

Re: Bernie’s Army of Coders

#82
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Thanks for joining the discussion! I understand that it's a non-monetary contribution; my confusion is just on why we should treat them differently from monetary and why people think of them differently, even when they accomplish the same thing (deliver $X worth of value to a campaign), especially given that, for a foreigner to contribute money is a serious crime. (Less of an issue in your case since you're not some…

That's a great thing to think about. IMHO, it's about worth and intent - as with any. And as with any software development, it's all relative. For me - personally - coding the map was a way for me to practice leaflet, which I've always been interested in learning, and at the same time D3. I never really thought about or even expected the campaign reaching out to me. The original map which is in bernie2016events.org u…

Rapi, as a permanent resident, you are legally American enough to donate money to a campaign.

http://www.fec.gov/ans/answers_general.shtml#Can_nonUS_citiz...

Re: Bernie’s Army of Coders

#83

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That's a great thing to think about. IMHO, it's about worth and intent - as with any. And as with any software development, it's all relative. For me - personally - coding the map was a way for me to practice leaflet, which I've always been interested in learning, and at the same time D3. I never really thought about or even expected the campaign reaching out to me. The original map which is in bernie2016events.org u…

Rapi, as a permanent resident, you are legally American enough to donate money to a campaign. http://www.fec.gov/ans/answers_general.shtml#Can_nonUS_citiz...

Yes, I understand. But I thought I'd put my 2cents on the difference between what I did if I didn't have a green card. And how it differs with a corporation/big donors/super PACs or a foreign gov't giving assistance to a campaign.

Re: Bernie’s Army of Coders

#84
post #54

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Hi! I'm the immigrant in the story. For what it's worth I'm permanent resident, not allowed to vote. Furthermore, it's seen as an in-kind contribution, just like when you help building a stage for the campaign, only in online-terms. It's explained more in http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/us/politics/bernie-sanders...

I wonder if, as someone who sympathizes with the Sanders campaign, a foreign citizen who is not a US resident, could legally get involved in this. I would, most definitely, not want to create any legal problems to the campaign.

I'm not anyone's attorney, but yes, you can legally volunteer.

> The Commission has concluded herein that because uncompensated volunteer services are not considered to be a contribution under the Act, any individual, including a foreign national, may volunteer his or her uncompensated services to a candidate without making a contribution to that candidate.

From the PDF linked from here: http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/foreign.shtml#Volunteer

Whether the Sanders campaign actually wants foreign volunteers is a different issue.

Re: Bernie’s Army of Coders

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> but upper middle class represents an attractive target for a cash grab to pay for all those nice free rides he's promising to the poor. TIL first world social services are "nice free rides promised to the poor."

The free-market capitalism that you are espousing, requires a ‘cash grab’ —or distribution- to function or else it is completely incompatible with technological advancement. Looping structures allow programs to increase output and efficiency on the supply side, enabling startups to undercut company's reliant on manual labor. Advancements in tech allow a single person to run an automated script that does the work of t…

    Would it not be a more preferable for a centralized 
    structure to provide everyone with the basics, so 
    everyone could study what interested them and add 
    value to society as a whole.
"From each according to their ability, to each according to his need." (c) Karl Marx. We all know how well that worked out in the Soviet Union and elsewhere.

Re: Bernie’s Army of Coders

#86
post #54

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Hi! I'm the immigrant in the story. For what it's worth I'm permanent resident, not allowed to vote. Furthermore, it's seen as an in-kind contribution, just like when you help building a stage for the campaign, only in online-terms. It's explained more in http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/us/politics/bernie-sanders...

I wonder if, as someone who sympathizes with the Sanders campaign, a foreign citizen who is not a US resident, could legally get involved in this. I would, most definitely, not want to create any legal problems to the campaign.

Permanent residents even allowed to make monetary donation.

Re: Bernie’s Army of Coders

#87
post #68

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Cohorts beyond 35 or so (also known as people who might actually have something to lose) are more conservative and they have always been. So your hope that conservatives will die out is naive at best. People turn conservative real quick once they have a bit of money in their brokerage and/or savings account.

Do you have a citation for that?

I was actually wrong: it begins at around 29. Then people become more and more republican until they get old, run out of money, and become reliant on government services again: http://www.gallup.com/poll/172439/party-identification-varie...

Re: Bernie’s Army of Coders

#88
post #25
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Before we start admiring things, let's see what happens on Super Tuesday (12 days away). Nothing of what Sanders is doing is going to survive past a left primary. Absolutely nothing he is promising can be done without Congress. ------------ reply to below since I can only answer two replies on HN anymore before being blocked: Wrong comparison. That's like wanting to be manager when you have only worked at a company f…

> If Sanders ideas can work so well, why don't all these eager people first implement them at a local level where they have more immediate power? Nope, they want to go directly to the executive because it is a figurehead. Lots of people don't pay attention to or vote in local elections so those aren't even on their radar. You raise a good point though. There's discussion in the Sanders subreddits about doing exactly…

Remember the Tea Party?

As insane as they were, they at least grasped the idea that while the excutive president of the US was a nice figurehead to shoot for, the real power was on local, county and state level figures.

Then they turned around and made their dream come true in Kansas which is now a horrible place to live.

But they did it - the found their path to make it happen.

If Sanders people want that kind of accomplishment, they need to look at all the levels way before the executive which has no power today other than supreme court appointees.

Re: Bernie’s Army of Coders

#89
post #4

Before we start admiring things, let's see what happens on Super Tuesday (12 days away). Nothing of what Sanders is doing is going to survive past a left primary. Absolutely nothing he is promising can be done without Congress. ------------ reply to below since I can only answer two replies on HN anymore before being blocked: Wrong comparison. That's like wanting to be manager when you have only worked at a company f…

> . Only Maine is whiter. Why is his state like that in the 21st century As someone currently living in Maine, people don't move here for reasons like "there are no jobs" and "have you seen what kind of weather they have".

Except Vermont is no Maine. It literally borders NY and Mass. - there is no excuse why it has near-zero diversity other than it simply doesn't make people welcome who do not fit existing mindsets.

That's a horrible model for the USA and would never work.

Like I keep saying, if Sander's ideas are so good, prove them on a local, regional and state level.

Even Obama's healthcare plan was simply a nationwide attempt at what Romney already created, but then it got too many cooks (aka Congress) tampering with it.

Where's is Sanders version of Romney?

Re: Bernie’s Army of Coders

#90
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if, as someone who sympathizes with the Sanders campaign, a foreign citizen who is not a US resident, could legally get involved in this. I would, most definitely, not want to create any legal problems to the campaign.

I'm not anyone's attorney, but yes, you can legally volunteer. > The Commission has concluded herein that because uncompensated volunteer services are not considered to be a contribution under the Act, any individual, including a foreign national, may volunteer his or her uncompensated services to a candidate without making a contribution to that candidate. From the PDF linked from here: http://www.fec.gov/pages/broc…

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