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TP-Link begins router firmware lockdown due to FCC proposed regulation

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Re: TP-Link begins router firmware lockdown due to FCC proposed regulation

#41

This is especially sad because the NYC Mesh project ( https://nycmesh.net/ ) to create a mesh network in NYC uses TP-Link routers pretty heavily.

A lot of community meshnet projects rely on their hardware because of the stability and low pricing. NYC Mesh is a great example, but there are dozens more that aren't known as well.

Re: TP-Link begins router firmware lockdown due to FCC proposed regulation

#42
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Can somebody explain what this means? I'm still confused. Firmware lockdown, does it mean I can't install dd-wrt or something? Any other consequenses?

Correct, no custom firmware, and it appears no downgrading your firmware to an older version without this restriction. It's a trap-door upgrade.

It's also a great way to keep the back-door open too!

Re: TP-Link begins router firmware lockdown due to FCC proposed regulation

#43

This is especially sad because the NYC Mesh project ( https://nycmesh.net/ ) to create a mesh network in NYC uses TP-Link routers pretty heavily.

Same here in Germany. Most of the "Freifunk" communnities are running on TP-Link routers.

Re: TP-Link begins router firmware lockdown due to FCC proposed regulation

#44

https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Save_WiFi The FCC publishes a 90-page document on an extremely technical subject and required any comments to be submitted within 7 weeks. It would take the average aficionado several weeks just to find out about it. The real issue here is that government agencies like the FCC are willfully excluding all but the best organized (read: best funded) groups from participating. And just like w…

The FCC responded to user feedback on the issue:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11125543

Re: TP-Link begins router firmware lockdown due to FCC proposed regulation

#45

This is especially sad because the NYC Mesh project ( https://nycmesh.net/ ) to create a mesh network in NYC uses TP-Link routers pretty heavily.

"This is especially sad because the NYC Mesh project (https://nycmesh.net/) to create a mesh network in NYC uses TP-Link routers pretty heavily."

Won't all of those existing TP-Link routers continue to work and be unlocked to flash whatever you like on them ?

Further, aren't there sufficient TP-Link parts in the supply chain from the last 4-5 years that you'll continue to be able to source them ?

Genuinely curious...

Re: TP-Link begins router firmware lockdown due to FCC proposed regulation

#46

This is especially sad because the NYC Mesh project ( https://nycmesh.net/ ) to create a mesh network in NYC uses TP-Link routers pretty heavily.

"This is especially sad because the NYC Mesh project (https://nycmesh.net/) to create a mesh network in NYC uses TP-Link routers pretty heavily."

Won't all of those existing TP-Link routers continue to work and be unlocked to flash whatever you like on them ?

Further, aren't there sufficient TP-Link parts in the supply chain from the last 4-5 years that you'll continue to be able to source them ?

Genuinely curious...

Re: TP-Link begins router firmware lockdown due to FCC proposed regulation

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Is this limited to devices sold in the US? They are going to impose it on every other place that sells them? Afiu tp-link has no obligations to manage two devices trees for a niche community. Stubborn minority effect at play here. [1] http://fooledbyrandomness.com/minority.pdf

That stubborn minority chapter is really quite interesting, shame the book isn't available yet. Think I'll look into some of the authors prior books when I next run out.

Re: TP-Link begins router firmware lockdown due to FCC proposed regulation

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https://www.fcc.gov/news-events/blog/2015/11/12/clearing-air... TP-Link may well be locking down firmware, but it is NOT because the FCC is forcing them to.

How do you know?

As your link says, they intend to prohibit selling hardware which can be modified to violate FCC regs. Since 3rd party firmware allows such violations, devices get locked down.

How else are you going to explain the existence of separate US firmware which refuses to upgrade to international firmwares?

http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=990535

Re: TP-Link begins router firmware lockdown due to FCC proposed regulation

#49

And this is why, in a nutshell, linux should switch to GPL3. Right now there is no issue for TP-link to "preenmptively" block their hardware. If there was, they would think twice about it.

> And this is why, in a nutshell, linux should switch to GPL3.

Unfortunately, given the number of developers that would have to agree, the fact that early contributions weren't attributed and the can of worms that defining what a derivative work is opens, makes relicensing very unlikely.

Re: TP-Link begins router firmware lockdown due to FCC proposed regulation

#50
post #28

I thought the FCC walked back on this?

My assumption: it's cheaper/easier for TP-LINK to disable all flashing of 3rd party firmware than it is to implement restrictions based on the FCC's narrowly-focused instructions.
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