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Gmailify: The best of Gmail, without an gmail address

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Re: Gmailify: The best of Gmail, without an gmail address

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Post by sangnoir »

andybak wrote: post #32

So mixed messages again. Is 'Inbox' the next-gen Gmail interface or a hobby project that will get closed down in a year? Momentum has slowed and I've become so dependent on it's workflow I'd be gutted if this was the case. However - I don't believe Google will maintain two email clients in perpetuity. On past experience - they'll fold the functionality of one into the other - partially and imperfectly leaving users i…

> So mixed messages again

No mixed messages here, Google has a penchant of making 2 of everything[1], and they can keep at it for years at a time. ChromeOS & Android, Google Maps and Google Earth (and Waze!), and so on. There is cross-pollination of ideas, and some products eventually coalesce.

> Is 'Inbox' the next-gen Gmail interface or a hobby project

I think the answer is 'neither', just like the iPad wasn't the next-gen MacBook. Inbox is just another email client that is certainly not for everyone, it holds a little too strongly to the inbox zero philosophy to be mainstream.

Having both Inbox and Gmail as separate products makes sense because at their core, Inbox and GMail are different beasts, I use both for different contexts. Inbox is great for organizing my personal email, GMail is great for work email. I wouldn't trust Inbox to properly organize my work email, and I don't have the energy to manually organize my personal email.

1. http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/10/googles-product-stra...

Re: Gmailify: The best of Gmail, without an gmail address

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Post by Hurdy »

OxO4 wrote: post #66
Hurdy wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you go through the sign up flow you can select whether you want to Gmailify your address into an existing or a new Google account. We make it very explicit that all your mails are being copied into Google servers. By the way, while Gmail always has offered ways to just "import" your messages from a third party address, with Gmailify you get a full two way sync, so you can e.g. keep using the Yahoo UI and your ch…

I do not seem to have the option to gmailify my address. Is the feature restricted to specific providers? If yes, are there any plans to support Office365 addresses?

It's currently limited to consumer accounts on Outlook.com and Yahoo.

Re: Gmailify: The best of Gmail, without an gmail address

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Post by nunodonato »

Numberwang wrote: post #48
andybak wrote: post #32

So mixed messages again. Is 'Inbox' the next-gen Gmail interface or a hobby project that will get closed down in a year? Momentum has slowed and I've become so dependent on it's workflow I'd be gutted if this was the case. However - I don't believe Google will maintain two email clients in perpetuity. On past experience - they'll fold the functionality of one into the other - partially and imperfectly leaving users i…

I have the same fears but from the opposite end. I need gmail in my life, and cannot understand why anyone would want Inbox at all. It shows my emails (fewer than in gmail) and combines it with a subpar task manager (in a world of subpar task managers) and wrecks on this "smart" categorization system which is just there for devious purposes and most importantly I cannot trust to do it's job properly. I fear for gmail…

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Re: Gmailify: The best of Gmail, without an gmail address

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Post by msh »

tssva wrote: post #65
jakebasile wrote: post #3

This means that Yahoo and Outlook users have access to Google Now email-based cards before those of us using Google Apps.

Google Apps supports Google Now email-based cards. It needs to be enabled by your Google Apps administrator.

I have never been able to get email based cards for my domain account.

How did you set it up?

Re: Gmailify: The best of Gmail, without an gmail address

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Post by dheera »

Tepix wrote: post #118
dheera wrote: post #102

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Can we kill SMS already? Seriously, what's wrong with e-mail? Everyone has data plans nowadays, if not data-only plans, and e-mail is cross-platform. Stop making me have to carry my phone around. I already have my SMS forwarding to my e-mail automatically, and now I'm just waiting for SMS to die.

It's a good idea to have two separate channels. SMS will also work when you're in another country without a data plan. Every phone has SMS. The OTT instant messaging solutions are fragmented (I wish all my contacts had Signal!)

And e-mail will work when you don't even have a cell phone. I don't like the idea that I need to carry a phone around everywhere I go. If I happen to be carrying a laptop around with me, I want that laptop, as a more powerful device, to replace my phone, not require me to walk around with 2 devices which is cumbersome, theft-prone, and simply downright inconvenient to have your eyes glancing between 2 screens all the time. Everything else -- Facebook, Gmail, Skype, everything else -- can be accessed with that laptop. Information flows with me, independent of device. I show up in front of any screen that I own, authenticate myself with a password, and everything I need shows up on that screen, loaded from the cloud. I move between rooms, between offices, carrying nothing, and continue replying to my Facebook chats and e-mails that I started in the previous location. I don't need to carry anything with me. SMS, WhatsApp, and WeChat don't flow like that, which is why I hate them with a passion.

Plus, data plans are available everywhere now. For the most part, I use only data. Also, SMS doesn't work when you have to keep switching SIM cards and phone numbers. I can't login to half of my accounts that want to do SMS verification because I registered those accounts using a different SIM card in a different country; I have to wait till I return to those countries before I can login to those accounts and do something about them.

E-mail doesn't have this issue. I've had one e-mail address that has been associated with me for 15+ years that has worked 24/7 internationally. Phone numbers have to practically change every time you step across a country border. Phone numbers are a horrible way to identify me, at least.

Re: Gmailify: The best of Gmail, without an gmail address

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Post by grinich »

kentonv wrote: post #107
kuschku wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean that there is no password between desktop client and the open source cloud engine – anyone can log in to it just like that. The tokens to auth are world-readable under /accounts or /n

This sounds like a job for Sandstorm.io...

Or like any firewall, Nginx config, VPN, etc. Everyone picks a different way to do it, so it's not included in the default sync engine.

Re: Gmailify: The best of Gmail, without an gmail address

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Post by richardboegli »

sangnoir wrote: post #121
andybak wrote: post #32

So mixed messages again. Is 'Inbox' the next-gen Gmail interface or a hobby project that will get closed down in a year? Momentum has slowed and I've become so dependent on it's workflow I'd be gutted if this was the case. However - I don't believe Google will maintain two email clients in perpetuity. On past experience - they'll fold the functionality of one into the other - partially and imperfectly leaving users i…

> So mixed messages again No mixed messages here, Google has a penchant of making 2 of everything[1], and they can keep at it for years at a time. ChromeOS & Android, Google Maps and Google Earth (and Waze!), and so on. There is cross-pollination of ideas, and some products eventually coalesce. > Is 'Inbox' the next-gen Gmail interface or a hobby project I think the answer is 'neither', just like the iPad wasn't the…

Look longer term, Inbox will win.

Gmail is a mail client, inbox is so much more.

I don't use it as the ability to only apply a single label to an email is a feature regression.

Chrome and Android will reach feature parity, but will always remain as separate entities due to branding.

Running Android on top of Windows just doesn't sound right, but it is what is effectively happening with Chrome supporting Android apps.

Re: Gmailify: The best of Gmail, without an gmail address

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Post by dheera »

socket0 wrote: post #115
dheera wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Inbox still sucks for me because * It doesn't show full messages on Android Wear devices. You know, Google's own product. Gmail does. * I can't figure out how to set up a filter in Inbox. The settings page is incomplete. I still have to go back to Gmail to change settings. So I might as well just use Gmail. * The pins in Inbox don't sync up with the stars in Gmail. Pins, stars, tabs, automatic Gmail categories, autom…

> I can't figure out how to set up a filter in Inbox. > The settings page is incomplete. I'm a huge fan of Inbox, but this still gets me all the time. Inbox was pushed as a kind of advanced application to advanced users, yet I have to go back to Gmail for any kind of advanced settings or configuration. That makes absolutely no sense at all.

Yeah, exactly. If Inbox's feature set were complete, I'd probably switch to it. It does have some nice features, including better icons and action buttons for package tracking and such. I just don't want to have to simultaneously deal with 2 websites/apps to access e-mail.

If it were still in alpha, i.e. "what do you think of this idea", I would understand that some things are missing and gladly provide my feedback about the concept. But once the concept is verified and being pushed as a kind of "ready for consumer use" beta, it really needs to be complete in features before I would make the switch for real life usage. Especially for a mission-critical product coming from a large company with enough developers.

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