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The Rise of Renting in the U.S

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> I'm a little surprised that there hasn't been a populist rebellion over interest rates. Low interest rates are in immediate terms good for net debtors and bad for net creditors. In broad strokes, this makes them good for the poor and bad for the rich (they are usually responses to conditions for which the reverse is true -- or, at least, which are more bad for the poor than the rich, but I'm just considering the in…

Low interest rates are great for the rich. Wealthy people in general know how to effectively utilize capital to make more money and if that capital is cheaper then all the better for them. I mean cost of capital is one of the chief components of calculating the net present value of a prospective project so the lower the interest rate the more profitable various projects are.

Although to be fair, high interest rates are also great for the rich. It's good to be rich.

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The problem with your analysis is that you're forgetting that renters have no control over the amount they pay in rent. You can only control your rent price for the first year; after that the landlord is able to jack up your price almost any amount they want (subject to local laws), and you can either pay the jacked-up rent or move out (which is expensive) and find a new place. When you buy a house (err, rent from a…

Your monthly "rent" isn't fixed though. Most people have both HOA and propter taxes, both which increase year over year. Not only do these rates increase over time, but as the value of your home (which you often don't own in any significant way) rises, so too does the assessed value. Do they increase as dramatically as rent? No, but they do still increase. Then you've got the 10% or so of "homeowners" with variable r…

When I was shopping for a house, I made it very clear to the realtor that an HOA -- any HOA -- was a dealbreaker.

I expected him to be surprised, but he nodded and said he'd been hearing that a lot lately.

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The statistic that went most against my intuition is that San Francisco has the one of the lowest 'rent burdens' in the US. That is, rent as a percentage of income is on the low end and equivalent with many Midwestern cities. I'm guessing that the typical SF renter paying 25% of income on rent may be dealing with a lot less space (and more roommates) compared to someone in Pittsburgh or Minneapolis.

Which means you're able to put a simply massive amount of money away if you so desire.

I notice in many of these kinds of comment threads, people talk about dropping out of the rat race and getting rid of their "luxury townhome" and luxury cars and so on.

Orrrr you could just participate in the rat race in a much more modest and realistic way.

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Fear of violent crime. I'm not saying it's reasonable (statistically speaking), just that it's there.

Why would women fear crime more than men? Statistically, men are more likely to get robbed, beaten up and killed.

Really?

Almost every woman I know has an innate fear of walking alone at night.

I'm not sure of the statistics, but my guess is that violent crime like rape happens far more to women to men.

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Yeah, I know that now. Too late to move at this point, I have two dogs , own a home in the city, have an established career...moving would be incredibly expensive and risky. Going back to any previous move I made in the past, I'd never consider anything other than DC, New York, or Austin (perhaps a few others in the South, but I don't know the area too well.) Anywhere on the West Coast is a cripplingly bad decision.

As someone who lives in DC and always wanted to live in a west coast city, if only for a little while, I wonder if this is "grass is greener" syndrome or maybe DC really is as good as it gets? I did not enjoy NYC. Too dirty, too busy, too crowded.

The weather is great, but it's a dude ranch, and theres not many European-style city amenities.

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I've sorta turned my back on the standard american dream. Racing to new areas of growth, working to build someone else's dream, getting paid well immediately for performance, paying high rent, etc to afford the image of success, and making friends that participate in this same high ambition culture. Instead of making markets, markets start making you. All the rules, and "norms" we've collected around ourselves to par…

I'm not sure it's the "American Dream" you're arguing with. To my understanding that phrase specifically refers to owning a home in a suburb. It is formulated explicitly against having a landlord, living paycheck-to-paycheck, and living in an urban center.

>having a landlord, living paycheck-to-paycheck, and living in an urban center

One of these things is not like the others.

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Why would women fear crime more than men? Statistically, men are more likely to get robbed, beaten up and killed.

Really? Almost every woman I know has an innate fear of walking alone at night. I'm not sure of the statistics, but my guess is that violent crime like rape happens far more to women to men.

A quick Google search brings up Canadian statistics [0]. In total, it's about equal (F: 50.15% M: 49.85%). Removing "criminal harrassment" and "uttering threats" (which are not really violent crimes) makes little difference (F: 48.62% M: 51.38%).

For rape ("sexual assault"), women "win" by far (F: 91.89% M: 8.11%), but it's much less frequent than "aggravated assault" and "robbery". Also, I'm assuming that "sexual assault" doesn't include prison rape (which makes sense, since that's not something you should fear in public), but it probably includes rape by friend/acquaintance (which isn't something that you should fear in public, and wouldn't rise if living in a RV compared to a house). Allegedly, rape by stranger (in public) is a rather rare form of rape (although it still makes sense to fear it and not put yourself in situations where it's likely to happen).

Men are the majority of victims of serious crime (after removing "simple assault") (F: 40.22% M: 59.78%).

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_crime#In_Ca...

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I've sorta turned my back on the standard american dream. Racing to new areas of growth, working to build someone else's dream, getting paid well immediately for performance, paying high rent, etc to afford the image of success, and making friends that participate in this same high ambition culture. Instead of making markets, markets start making you. All the rules, and "norms" we've collected around ourselves to par…

I'm very similar. I wound up spending two years driving from Alaska to Argentina [1], and now I'm setting off to spend two years driving around the perimeter of Africa. I strongly believe time is much more important than money, and I'm very careful about how much money (time) I spend on "things". [1] http://theroadchoseme.com is my blog of the trip(s)

Driving around Africa should be considered carefully and researched even more carefully. There are very real dangers and complete no-go areas.

Good luck out there!

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If that is what makes you happy, then more power to you. The real question is was the American dream really open to you? Was this life choice made easier because what was the american dream has been so diluted as to make it unpalatable? Is the current craze in tiny homes because people really like tiny home or because it is the only realistic option for a lot of the enthusiasts. For some people the former is true. Ot…

I can't help but wonder: what proportion of the population has a place that they can truly, and with love, call home? Somewhere they feel alive in, and grow in, and feel confident raising a family in. Somewhere that persists. How about 30 years ago? 2000 years ago? 20,000 years ago? I think the visualization of this data would be very interesting indeed, albeit impossible to create. It's my impression that it gets ha…

About 5 months ago my mother sold a house that was built by my Grandmother in the 50's. That had been my home for 12 years or so and I'd been going to for as long as I'd been alive. I love that house, the garden, the sense of belonging. But it was expensive to run and mum could not afford to keep it (and I am not successful enough to make that go away alas).

That place was home in a deep and meaningful sense. Do you know what I realised when I drove home on a weekend to a new house with no history, no lore, no memories? Home is where mum is.

Of course I also have a home in London which is rented and changes all the time and that, too, is home. I don't need to own a place for it to be home. I don't have to be there or have been there for years. I just have to go home and feel good about the space which is mine and filled with my people (and my things).

I guess I just disagree with the premise that there is a need for what you describe. It's something people are taught they need in some cultures.

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Right, you have a high paying job so it's easy for you to sit on a perch well above the median and tell people how simple it is.

It's simple the same way exercise is simple: knowing what to do is easy, having willpower to do it is hard. Being financially independent can be done on a median wage, full stop. https://www.reddit.com/r/financialindependence http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/ "Is that all too fluffy and philosophical? OK, fine. Here’s how to cut your life costs in half. Start by getting rid of your Debt Emergency if you have one. Live…

I'd like to share my experience here in hopes that it inspires others.

I'm 37 years old, single, never married, no children. A programmer recently turned sales guy. Through my 20s, I experienced an ever escalating salary as I moved up through the programming ranks. By the age of 29, I had accumulated about 25k of credit card debt and still have 35k of student loan debt yet to be repaid. At that time I was making around 90k a year.

Through poor financial decisions and instant gratification coupled with no cash cushion for emergencies, I amassed the credit card debt.

The financial crisis of 2008 hit. I found myself vulnerable to unemployment without savings to fall back on. I was laid off during this time but quickly found another job. The experience scared me deeply. I watched the news as people lost their homes, their savings and their way of life.

I wanted to live a way of life that wasn't so financially precarious.

I started by creating a realistic budget of all expenses. I ruthlessly cut any expense that were "optional" (this is a matter of personal circumstances). The first goal I achieved was a 3k cash cushion for emergencies (unforeseen car repairs, illness resulting in a large bill, etc).

The next step was paying on my debt before any discretionary spending. I created a habit and pride in paying a fixed amount out of every paycheck no matter what the circumstances that month. The progress was slow at first. I paid off the smallest credit card balance first to achieve a sense of accomplishment early on. It was a small victory but it helped motivate me to continue.

The largest credit card balance was about 24k. It took a couple of years to pay that thing off. During that time I was still able to go on cheap vacations and enjoy a meal out occasionally. The key to success for me was tracking my progress each payday and remaining steadfast in my commitment to pay the debt down.

The final piece of the puzzle was the student loan debt. Using the new habits of frugality and commitment along with the additional monthly budget that wasn't being used to pay on credit card debt, I was able to pay down about 35k in student loan debt in about 2 years.

I remember making that last payment. That moment wasn't cathartic. No fireworks. No congratulations.

I was utterly shocked by the inevitability of the passage of time. If I had made no plan, taken no action, those four years would have passed and I would likely be in the same position today that I was in when I started the debt reduction journey. It was truly frightening to think I could have done nothing and achieved nothing for those four years.

Today, I've nearly doubled my income since that time by moving into sales with the same employer. The work-from-home lifestyle suits me well. No commute, no expenses related to commuting. Healthy lunches cooked in my own kitchen. The benefits are many. Without this debt reduction experience, I would likely be wasting all the income I'm making now. I've learned how to save, invest and take a more critical eye to spending.

A little about how I live day-to-day (the original impetus for writing this comment).

I live in an old apartment building in a trendy part of Dallas, TX. The studio unit I occupy is less than 400 square feet. I found an existing tiny house in the middle of a city! Over the years, I've gotten rid of many personal possession that I simply no longer need or use. That experience has been freeing and results in less stress. My rent is 500 dollars a month. The single family homes around me on the same block are 400k+ for an original 2 bedroom, 1 bath bungalow. The new, larger homes are 800k+ for 4 bedrooms, 5 baths. My neighbors pay more in property taxes than I pay yearly in rent. That doesn't include home owners insurance, lawn maintenance, home repairs, and all the other hidden expenses in owning a home.

IKEA has been instrumental in getting the most out of such a small space. Decorating and innovating around this has been a fun experience. I have pictures if you're interested in seeing how it all comes together.

I've not sacrificed the wonderful, walkable neighborhood in which I live to make this change. I did have to look hard to find a rental this small, cheap, clean and safe.

I drive a 2003 Honda with 160k miles on it. It's long since paid off. Luckily, I'm getting past the age where I have the urge to buy a stupid, expensive car to boost my ego and my status. Working from home has reduced the miles I'm putting on the car which will hopefully extend it's useful life and value.

Mr. Money Mustache was a huge influence on me during this time. I grew to believe it was possible for me to extract myself from the debt trap I'd built.

My cash cushion has been extended to 24 months of expenses. This doesn't include any unemployment benefits for which I might be eligible. I max out my 401k contribution at 18.5k a year. I max out my IRA contribution, too. The rest of the free cashflow either goes into my brokerage accounts or to replenish my cash cushion if it's utilized at all.

I sleep more soundly at night. The perception of risk moving from programming to sales was lowered because I no longer live paycheck-to-paycheck. I have a clear path to a nice retirement nest egg and adventures abroad in the future.

If you want help in making a plan or even someone to simply listen, I'm game.

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