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Renaming Iceweasel to Firefox

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Re: Renaming Iceweasel to Firefox

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Post by mwcampbell »

debacle wrote: post #84
jimmaswell wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After simply using installers in Windows, dealing with conflicting package and library dependencies seems insane. I've been unable to use multiple applications on linux because of this issue whereas that would never happen on Windows where installers just have what they need without getting in each other's business.

> installers just have what they need Have you ever tried writing a Windows installer?

What exactly is your point? Applications bundling their dependencies is the norm on all mass-market desktop and mobile platforms. So commercial developers of packaged software are used to it. Such developers even tend to bundle dependencies when targeting Linux, if they want to be distro-agnostic. In this respect, developers of open-source software are spoiled, because they can delegate dependency handling to the distro or, in many cases, the user.

Re: Renaming Iceweasel to Firefox

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Post by CaptSpify »

esaym wrote: post #21

Funny, I've been running Debian since 2007. I mainly got hooked on their 'testing' branch since it is just "always up to date". But I always get people looking over my shoulder and asking "what the heck is 'iceweasel'. To which I explain the whole issue of Debian was distributing a patched version of Firefox with their OS back in ~2007 era and Mozilla, for trademark reasons, said you can't modify the browser and stil…

A few years ago some extensions wouldn't work with iceweasel. I forget which ones, and why, but it basically boiled down to: "this extension is meant for firefox". I wish I could remember which ones those were to see if it really was just a naming issue.

Re: Renaming Iceweasel to Firefox

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Post by pavanky »

moron4hire wrote: post #16

I don't understand why Debian has anything to do with Firefox. Why does the operating system have any say on what applications get released and how often? Isn't this the whole point of using free, open source software? To be able to choose your own components? Why do we need Debian bundling Firefox?

You don't need to use the package manager. Users who want to use it will use it.

Re: Renaming Iceweasel to Firefox

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Post by joelg236 »

moron4hire wrote: post #48
regularfry wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of a distribution is to provide a complete, working system. It's not just a collection of independent components, it's curated such that the whole is coherent.

So the shit MS got blasted for: bundling IE with Windows.

I think you know as well as everyone else that that's not the same thing. MS did not provide an option to uninstall IE, where debian literally has dozens of FF alternatives at your fingertips.

Re: Renaming Iceweasel to Firefox

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Post by zanny »

scrollaway wrote: post #61
zanny wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parent is actually wrong - Wine releases with the Gnome cycle, where even releases are stable and odd ones are unstable. Debian should technically be shipping both versions according to upstream release cadences - people who want stable use 1.8 right now, and people who want latest features use 1.9.

In what way am I wrong? Wine releases are in fact every two weeks with a stable release once in a while. How is it relevant that stable are even and unstable are odd?

Because Wine (and Gnome) maintain them in parallel. With Chrome you have the one release version that gets constantly updated every two weeks, but unlike Firefox's ESR / Linux's LTS kernels Google doesn't want to maintain an "LTS" version of Chrome.

Yes, its semantics whether you just pin arbitrary releases and call them LTS vs having dedicated versioning schema to support it, but you called it a Chrome like cycle, when its just a more general constant iteration with occasional LTS cycle. Not many products actually use the full blown constant iteration for everyone model Google uses on Chrome.

Re: Renaming Iceweasel to Firefox

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Post by daeken »

txutxu wrote: post #88

People, This is great news for few of us. But it has been hard to read trough this comments and realize how much ignorance about what Debian is, how it works, what the Debian bug tracker is, what a voluntary-based project is, and to read some assertions and prepotency around in HN If you see ANYTHING wrong with Debian, go fix it, or shut up and go to sell your stuff to another one. Debian is not a startup. Debian is…

> If you see ANYTHING wrong with Debian, go fix it, or shut up and go to sell your stuff to another one.

Are you really saying that the only way to contribute to Debian's success is to directly fix problems yourself? Community feedback (in the form of bug reports, comments on forums, mailing list discussion participation, etc) is hugely important in most every open source project; dismissing that is foolish at best and harmful at worst.

Re: Renaming Iceweasel to Firefox

#97

Post by tomphoolery »

txutxu wrote: post #88

People, This is great news for few of us. But it has been hard to read trough this comments and realize how much ignorance about what Debian is, how it works, what the Debian bug tracker is, what a voluntary-based project is, and to read some assertions and prepotency around in HN If you see ANYTHING wrong with Debian, go fix it, or shut up and go to sell your stuff to another one. Debian is not a startup. Debian is…

"$PROJECT is not a startup. $PROJECT is not an elastic architecture in the cloud to support/pay-for traffic peaks. $PROJECT may benefit from your solutions and resources, if you're so good. $PROJECT isn't perfect."

I have half a mind to just add this to every single project's README in the https://github.com/redis-store organization.

Re: Renaming Iceweasel to Firefox

#98

Post by [deleted] »

rewqfdsa wrote: post #90

That's disappointing; the article mentions that Mozilla is happy with Debian's patch set, but I don't think they'd be happy with a patch that disabled mandatory extension signing. I was looking forward to Iceweasel sparing us from that anti-user nonsense.

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Re: Renaming Iceweasel to Firefox

#100

Post by protomyth »

txutxu wrote: post #88

People, This is great news for few of us. But it has been hard to read trough this comments and realize how much ignorance about what Debian is, how it works, what the Debian bug tracker is, what a voluntary-based project is, and to read some assertions and prepotency around in HN If you see ANYTHING wrong with Debian, go fix it, or shut up and go to sell your stuff to another one. Debian is not a startup. Debian is…

> If you see ANYTHING wrong with Debian, go fix it, or shut up and go to sell your stuff to another one.

Ok, so Debian is a developers-only distribution?

> Feel free to downvote without reasoning why.

I didn't bother, but "Please don't bait other users by inviting them to downvote you or announce that you expect to get downvoted." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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