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Re: Missing Malaysia Jet MH370 Weeks Away from Keeping Secrets Forever

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Post by tim333 »

0xffff2 wrote: post #14
melling wrote: post #2

"In a world where a $100 smartphone can be tracked for free, the $250 million jet vanished." It sounds like Inmarsat is now making basic ping location available for free: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/182223-inmarsat-now-givin...

That quote is disingenuous in the extreme. You absolutely can not track a $100 smartphone in the middle of the Indian ocean, for any price.

Well, they didn't say in the ocean. You need a $250 gizmo for that http://www.amazon.com/Delorme-AG-009871-201-DeLorme-inReach-...

Re: Missing Malaysia Jet MH370 Weeks Away from Keeping Secrets Forever

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Post by personlurking »

mmmBacon wrote: post #127
monk_e_boy wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live by the Atlantic, people go missing every so often. It seems tragic but normal to the locals. The sea is the sea. It'll slurp you out and kill you. Tourists seems quite shocked that there isn't more that could be done. Everything in a city is very safe, it's pretty hard to accidentally kill yourself. It stands to reason that we should put up some more signs, or have someone stop them from doing something silly.…

Same thing happens here along the Northern California coast. With El Nino this year, the waves are bigger and more powerful than a typical winter and catch people unaware. There are occasional "sneaker" waves that break on the beach and knock people down. Recently: http://www.mercurynews.com/central-coast/ci_29405514/san-jos... http://abc7news.com/news/pacifica-man-drowns-trying-to-save-...

There was a story from last week, in France. The guy filming is apparently handicapped, but there was a fifth person who entered the scene afterwards and saved all of them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSgSMZsMh4A

Or this one from 2013, in Lisbon (college hazing gone wrong) http://news.sky.com/story/1183112/portugal-five-students-mis...

Re: Missing Malaysia Jet MH370 Weeks Away from Keeping Secrets Forever

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Post by jahnu »

monk_e_boy wrote: post #116
rwhitman wrote: post #55

The MH370 tracking problem is unfortunate but what I'm most fascinated by in all of this is the continuing reminder of how powerless we are as a civilization when it comes to the oceans. A plane crashes in an area with no landmass and we lose it. We've overfished many species to near-extinction because we completely failed to understand exactly how many fish there actually are. The sea acts as a natural eraser for hu…

I live by the Atlantic, people go missing every so often. It seems tragic but normal to the locals. The sea is the sea. It'll slurp you out and kill you. Tourists seems quite shocked that there isn't more that could be done. Everything in a city is very safe, it's pretty hard to accidentally kill yourself. It stands to reason that we should put up some more signs, or have someone stop them from doing something silly.…

Everyone unfamiliar with the sea should watch some videos like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSgSMZsMh4A

They all were rescued later, btw. But it was clearly a close thing.

Re: Missing Malaysia Jet MH370 Weeks Away from Keeping Secrets Forever

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Post by cmdkeen »

monk_e_boy wrote: post #115
7952 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the continuing reminder of how powerless we are as a civilization when it comes to the oceans. That is symptomatic of our child like relationship with the environment. We are deeply dependant but have little understanding or agency. It is obvious that high fish stocks will allow more catches than near extinction levels. Catching 1% of 1 billion is better than 40% of 1 million. Yet we continue to treat fish as a sho…

No one can police the sea. We have big issues with illegal fishing. What can we do about it?

We can and we do to some extent. The problem is that on the high seas it is the country of registration that you need permission from to board. It wouldn't cost much to offer the poor countries that register the worst offenders to either stop registrations or be more permissive with boarding rights.

It doesn't even have to be governments, Sea Shepherd do some good work and show what can be achieved.

The other problem is poor countries not able to secure their own territorial waters and Exclusive Economic Zones. For instance in West Africa many navies and coastguards have ships with endurance measured in days. If you're up to no good you just wait for them to come alongside. RUSI are currently floating the idea of giving them proper offshore patrol vessels paid for from the aid budget to enable them to actually patrol and secure their waters.

Re: Missing Malaysia Jet MH370 Weeks Away from Keeping Secrets Forever

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Post by martinald »

mikestew wrote: post #46
samstave wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why don't we have an additional distress beacon on all planes that says their gps coords to Inmarsat continuously no matter what? Basically why can't we use the Inmarsat network for more than distress but any and all planes report to some tamper proof system every minute? (Yes I know how many flights there are, but you don't need to store the data once a plane has reached its destination successfully)

I was thinking about this on a motorcycle trip to Alaska. For $250 one can buy a consumer device that updates my location via satellite every few minutes to display on a web page. $35/month, and they have cheaper plans. Were I to have been eaten by a bear, or splattered by a semi on the Dalton Highway, my wife would have at least known where to recover the body. Any yahoo with $250 and a shipping address can have one…

Are you sure? That work via sat data (not cell)?

Re: Missing Malaysia Jet MH370 Weeks Away from Keeping Secrets Forever

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Post by bootload »

mmmBacon wrote: post #127
monk_e_boy wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live by the Atlantic, people go missing every so often. It seems tragic but normal to the locals. The sea is the sea. It'll slurp you out and kill you. Tourists seems quite shocked that there isn't more that could be done. Everything in a city is very safe, it's pretty hard to accidentally kill yourself. It stands to reason that we should put up some more signs, or have someone stop them from doing something silly.…

Same thing happens here along the Northern California coast. With El Nino this year, the waves are bigger and more powerful than a typical winter and catch people unaware. There are occasional "sneaker" waves that break on the beach and knock people down. Recently: http://www.mercurynews.com/central-coast/ci_29405514/san-jos... http://abc7news.com/news/pacifica-man-drowns-trying-to-save-...

"There are occasional "sneaker" waves that break on the beach and knock people down."

Lost light house keepers at Flannan Isles , 'Eilean Mor', 1900 ~ http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofScotland/The-E... and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDqhQ9wlQxQ

Re: Missing Malaysia Jet MH370 Weeks Away from Keeping Secrets Forever

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Post by monk_e_boy »

mmmBacon wrote: post #127
monk_e_boy wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live by the Atlantic, people go missing every so often. It seems tragic but normal to the locals. The sea is the sea. It'll slurp you out and kill you. Tourists seems quite shocked that there isn't more that could be done. Everything in a city is very safe, it's pretty hard to accidentally kill yourself. It stands to reason that we should put up some more signs, or have someone stop them from doing something silly.…

Same thing happens here along the Northern California coast. With El Nino this year, the waves are bigger and more powerful than a typical winter and catch people unaware. There are occasional "sneaker" waves that break on the beach and knock people down. Recently: http://www.mercurynews.com/central-coast/ci_29405514/san-jos... http://abc7news.com/news/pacifica-man-drowns-trying-to-save-...

Last year some kids went skinny dipping and one never came back to shore.

Re: Missing Malaysia Jet MH370 Weeks Away from Keeping Secrets Forever

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Post by alien3d »

I'm live in Malaysia . There's a lot of weird information in few years. Some even not logical.The airline strike hard twice in a year and now changing hand to new company. Anybody here can downvote me here but we need agent Mulder And Scully to solve this issue. Eistien and new agent can help also :)

Re: Missing Malaysia Jet MH370 Weeks Away from Keeping Secrets Forever

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Post by alien3d »

melling wrote: post #2

"In a world where a $100 smartphone can be tracked for free, the $250 million jet vanished." It sounds like Inmarsat is now making basic ping location available for free: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/182223-inmarsat-now-givin...

no tower.. you need a satellite and they have been checking even since and no information. The most weird was, nobody in penang tower or langkawi tower detect the oddness. And also army radar. Next time, tower must be on 24 hour

Re: Missing Malaysia Jet MH370 Weeks Away from Keeping Secrets Forever

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Post by halviti »

mmmBacon wrote: post #127
monk_e_boy wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live by the Atlantic, people go missing every so often. It seems tragic but normal to the locals. The sea is the sea. It'll slurp you out and kill you. Tourists seems quite shocked that there isn't more that could be done. Everything in a city is very safe, it's pretty hard to accidentally kill yourself. It stands to reason that we should put up some more signs, or have someone stop them from doing something silly.…

Same thing happens here along the Northern California coast. With El Nino this year, the waves are bigger and more powerful than a typical winter and catch people unaware. There are occasional "sneaker" waves that break on the beach and knock people down. Recently: http://www.mercurynews.com/central-coast/ci_29405514/san-jos... http://abc7news.com/news/pacifica-man-drowns-trying-to-save-...

We have a beach in Iceland that people go to take photos, and tourists get sucked out into the ocean all the time because they ignore the signs, tour guides, and common sense.

Just last week there was a lot of fuss in the news about how reckless the tourists are becoming, and then the very next day after the news hype, a tourist was sucked out into the sea and drowned.. and this happens despite there being lots of other people nearby.

It's gotten to the point that some tour guides have just stopped going there because people just don't listen to warnings or understand the danger.

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