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Re: Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

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Post by jessaustin »

wernercd wrote: post #53
BWStearns wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a bit offset by their large proportional tech sector and compulsory service. The NSA (and gov tech in general) would be a hell of a lot better if everyone had to do a year or two of government service. Clarification: not to imply that the NSA is bad at their job currently, but if they could borrow two years off of every technical person in the country I can't see how that could hurt.

Yes and no... Yes, because there would be a bigger pool to choose from. For the same reason that bigger schools have better sports teams: More Athletic types... Having a bigger pool of candidates means you have more chance to get specific with your choices. No, because then you would be using the "Draft". There is a reason the US moved away from it in after Vietnam and went to an "All Volunteer" force. ( https://en.w…

That's a common (and reasonable) argument, but the counter is that then such organizations will be staffed with "true believers" who question neither specific orders nor (especially) overall policies. Draftees are more likely to blow the whistle.

Re: Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

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Post by TheGuyWhoCodes »

cheetos wrote: post #80
TheGuyWhoCodes wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"They seem to to believe that no action they take will ever be questioned or lead to any blowback" - That's not true. Like any country Israel wights the pros and cons of any decision. Some work in their favor some don't. If you think Israel doesn't taken into account the repercussions to it's actions you are gravely mistaken. I agree with you that Israel tries and succeeds in influencing US Foreign policy, why wouldn…

> Why is Israel being criticized of this when any other country including the UK, France, Germany, Iran, Egypt are doing the same? Because Israel could not do five percent of the things they are doing without the massive amount of military and financial welfare and protection they receive from the USA. The other countries you list do not have that luxury to nearly the same extent.

Massive amount? US foreign aid to Israel is about at most 3% of Israel yearly budget. Most of it Israel has to spend in a specific defined way, mostly buying from US companies. Some go to R&D which are joined operations with the US. Don't forget that Egypt and Jordan get foreign Aid, 1.5B$ while Israel gets 3B$. I don't see any comments on why US should stop it. UK, France, Germany are in NATO which gives them much more luxury to do what they want. Iran developed a Nuclear program, is funding and assisting terror organization which killed thousands of civilians, not to mention in details what's going on in Syria right now.

Re: Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

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Post by rqebmm »

BWStearns wrote: post #50

>> The deadly virus >> “changed the code” (the scare quotes bit) >> to invent a “vaccine” >> the secret formula... fell into the hands of Russia and Iran >> increasingly stronger versions of the virus >> the most deadly version of the virus Is anyone else not wild about the manner in which "cyber" articles get written? I feel like non-technical readers are left mildly concerned that they're going to come down with a…

>>> “changed the code” (the scare quotes bit)

It wasn't scare quotes. It was an actual quote "US Vice President Joe Biden was quoted in the film as saying in a meeting that the Israelis 'changed the code' of the deadly virus’s software."

Re: Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

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Post by appleflaxen »

suprgeek wrote: post #13

Hate to turn this into a political thread when there is so much info about software but.... The sheer arrogance with with Israel operates is just something else. They seem to to believe that no action they take will ever be questioned or lead to any blowback. The almost total control of US Foreign policy that they have now makes me think that the Iran deal being operationalized was nothing sort of a coup for Pres. Ob…

why would they expect blow back? They literally bombed our naval vessel (the Liberty, IIRC) in the Mediterranean in the 70s, and there were zero consequences. For a bombing. Why would releasing a software project early cause anything bad to happen?

Israel operates with utter disregard for the US, and has done pretty well for itself by doing so.

It's hard to fault them for continuing their pattern of behavior.

Re: Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

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Post by golergka »

suprgeek wrote: post #13

Hate to turn this into a political thread when there is so much info about software but.... The sheer arrogance with with Israel operates is just something else. They seem to to believe that no action they take will ever be questioned or lead to any blowback. The almost total control of US Foreign policy that they have now makes me think that the Iran deal being operationalized was nothing sort of a coup for Pres. Ob…

This is a really bizzare statement. Of course, if you compare Israel to Iceland, as someone did in another comment, the difderence in behavior is noticeable. But do you consider the worlds these two countries are living in? Israel gets critisized for 1/10 of what all the surrounding countries commit without any international outlash. It have been at war since its creation — with the countries not across the world, but right at the border. Most of Israel's population comes from people who were expelled from these neighboring countries mere 70 years ago. So yeah, to survive in the environment where people are constantly trying to kill you — and just "you" as a country, but you personally, because of your ethnicity — you have to grow some arrogance.

Re: Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

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Post by saint_fiasco »

ars wrote: post #26

> In this way, after the strongest version of the virus was implanted in order to increase the force of the damage to the centrifuges at Natanz, the virus .... began to "jump from computer to computer" I don't see how one follows from the other. One talks about the virus causing additional damage to centrifuges rather than minor damage. The other is about increased infectiousness. They are two different things and th…

I think additional damage means something like "breaks more centrifuges". A virus that does nos spread can only break a single centrifuge per attack.

Re: Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

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Post by BWStearns »

rqebmm wrote: post #93
BWStearns wrote: post #50

>> The deadly virus >> “changed the code” (the scare quotes bit) >> to invent a “vaccine” >> the secret formula... fell into the hands of Russia and Iran >> increasingly stronger versions of the virus >> the most deadly version of the virus Is anyone else not wild about the manner in which "cyber" articles get written? I feel like non-technical readers are left mildly concerned that they're going to come down with a…

>>> “changed the code” (the scare quotes bit) It wasn't scare quotes. It was an actual quote "US Vice President Joe Biden was quoted in the film as saying in a meeting that the Israelis 'changed the code' of the deadly virus’s software."

My bad, I missed that as the context.

Re: Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

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Post by saint_fiasco »

suprgeek wrote: post #13

Hate to turn this into a political thread when there is so much info about software but.... The sheer arrogance with with Israel operates is just something else. They seem to to believe that no action they take will ever be questioned or lead to any blowback. The almost total control of US Foreign policy that they have now makes me think that the Iran deal being operationalized was nothing sort of a coup for Pres. Ob…

>They seem to to believe that no action they take will ever be questioned or lead to any blowback

Israel did not and never will colonize Palestine "properly" like the British Empire did. They are either afraid of the blowback or surprisingly restrained.

Re: Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

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Post by obrero »

gadders wrote: post #64
sithadmin wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If the US where acting in its real best interest it would keep Israel at much more of an arm's length. In a way Israel is much more of a dangerous enemy to American democracy than Iran, Russia, China or any other country. This hardly matters to the most ardent Israel supporters in the USA: the sort that believe that propping up Israel is the key to realizing the Christian apocalypse mythos.

Or maybe people think that Israel is the only liberal democracy in the middle east and surrounded by nations and terrorist organisations that want to wipe it out.

> only liberal democracy in the middle east

What a laugh. A Palestinian in Hebron whose family has been there for thousands of years gets no vote, whereas a Jew from Brooklyn who just got off a plane and steals his land does get a vote in the Knesset. This is a democracy? How deluded do you think we all are?

Re: Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

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Post by dang »

JohnD19 wrote: post #86
littletimmy wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What anti-Jew comments? There aren't any.

There are not any because the masters delete them. And "any" means any comment that is critical against Israel and is immediately flagged as "anti-semitic" by the watchdogs/lapdogs. What a discrace.

Comments critical of Israel are one thing (plenty of those in this thread), anti-semitic slurs are another. This is hardly a hard call. Also the 'masters' here are the users flagging the latter, quite rightly.
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