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Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

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Re: Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

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Remember that while Israel is a first world country, it's tiny. It's population is 8.4 million, 1/40th of the U.S. and about the size of New York City proper (not suburban, which is ~20 million). Probably the Israeli government does not have the same level of talent and other resources that the U.S. government does. Imagine if the NSA was staffed only with residents of NYC, for example. (However, 3 of 8 US Supreme Co…

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Re: Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

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what confuses me about the US-Israeli relationship is that the most of the times they work well but at times one is always sabatoging each other in a manner that makes you reconsider, is Israel and enemy or a friend to the United States? I don't think Japan would pull off shit like this. It's like there's a four tier system to what defines a US Ally. Platinum - Gets you exclusive access to black funds & latest weapon…

Japan, as government policy, not that I recall. Certainly Japanese companies have harmed the US. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitori_Kumagai

Re: Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

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what confuses me about the US-Israeli relationship is that the most of the times they work well but at times one is always sabatoging each other in a manner that makes you reconsider, is Israel and enemy or a friend to the United States? I don't think Japan would pull off shit like this. It's like there's a four tier system to what defines a US Ally. Platinum - Gets you exclusive access to black funds & latest weapon…

> The US gets less than what Israel gets out of the relationship.

That's like saying having a hamster is an unfair relationship because the hamster gets a lot more out of it than you do.

Re: Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Israelis have bought our corruptible political system to the point where all our politicians fight each other to prove who is more of a "friend" to Israel. If the US where acting in its real best interest it would keep Israel at much more of an arm's length. In a way Israel is much more of a dangerous enemy to American democracy than Iran, Russia, China or any other country.

>If the US where acting in its real best interest it would keep Israel at much more of an arm's length. In a way Israel is much more of a dangerous enemy to American democracy than Iran, Russia, China or any other country. This hardly matters to the most ardent Israel supporters in the USA: the sort that believe that propping up Israel is the key to realizing the Christian apocalypse mythos.

Or maybe people think that Israel is the only liberal democracy in the middle east and surrounded by nations and terrorist organisations that want to wipe it out.

Re: Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

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> In this way, after the strongest version of the virus was implanted in order to increase the force of the damage to the centrifuges at Natanz, the virus .... began to "jump from computer to computer" I don't see how one follows from the other. One talks about the virus causing additional damage to centrifuges rather than minor damage. The other is about increased infectiousness. They are two different things and th…

>The other is about increased infectiousness.

Perhaps the additional damage is caused by increased infectiousness since the virus would be spread through more diverse intermediaries on its way to various centrifuge systems?

>This article is almost completely devoid of any evidence, or even a plausible logical explanation/motivation.

Well this article is reporting on what is stated in a forthcoming movie, not performing an investigation

Re: Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

#66
I find it hard to believe that top secret information like this would be confirmed by top US officials. Why declassify this information? what possible outcome were they hoping to achieve?

It's obviously a smear campaign against Israel, i'd take it with a grain of salt.

Re: Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

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I was just wondering. Why on earth would a dubious post from an Israeli newspaper end up on hacker news? Is the article more important than the fact the Israel occupies territories illegally neglecting UN resolutions, pushing out Palestians and using humuliating tactics as well doing immense practice shootings at young palestinians protecting their home( before it is brought down). What angers me though, is that international community does not say anything about the jihandis getting treated in Israel when they get shot doing their "mercenary services" in Syria. One more thing: while there are americans dying out in the street being homeless, american goverment supplies fincancial aid to Israel that covers up to its 25% of its budget!

Re: Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

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post #56

what confuses me about the US-Israeli relationship is that the most of the times they work well but at times one is always sabatoging each other in a manner that makes you reconsider, is Israel and enemy or a friend to the United States? I don't think Japan would pull off shit like this. It's like there's a four tier system to what defines a US Ally. Platinum - Gets you exclusive access to black funds & latest weapon…

I think you misunderstand the relationship. One, there are civilians, extremely rich civilians who are sending more than a pretty penny to Israel. Two, the US government is essentially bribing the Israel government to stay put and not kill everyone around them. I believe most people vastly underestimate the military might of Israel. Did you know, for example, that Israel has unmanned ground vehicles https://en.wikipe…

Israel has as much as it needs of Syria... it occupies the Golan Heights. You can see Damascus from there on a clear day.

Re: Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

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post #56

what confuses me about the US-Israeli relationship is that the most of the times they work well but at times one is always sabatoging each other in a manner that makes you reconsider, is Israel and enemy or a friend to the United States? I don't think Japan would pull off shit like this. It's like there's a four tier system to what defines a US Ally. Platinum - Gets you exclusive access to black funds & latest weapon…

I think you misunderstand the relationship. One, there are civilians, extremely rich civilians who are sending more than a pretty penny to Israel. Two, the US government is essentially bribing the Israel government to stay put and not kill everyone around them. I believe most people vastly underestimate the military might of Israel. Did you know, for example, that Israel has unmanned ground vehicles https://en.wikipe…

> I was and still surprised they didn't grab a bit of Syria.

Eh, there's no reason to be surprised. There is no strategic benefit to Israel in "grabbing" arbitrary chunks of Syria just because they happen to be undefended at the moment. It is in an excellent position right now to not just defend itself against any attacks from Syria but indeed deter them, and military overextension would weaken that.

Re: Unilateral Israeli changes to Stuxnet caused its exposure, angering US

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post #35
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

America has interests and not friends. Israelis understand this. Similarly Israel has interests and not friends. They are interested in protecting their own interests. Even if it costs Americans for them to do so. So you can basically say Israelis learned how to play these games from Americans.

But Israelis have bought our corruptible political system to the point where all our politicians fight each other to prove who is more of a "friend" to Israel. If the US where acting in its real best interest it would keep Israel at much more of an arm's length. In a way Israel is much more of a dangerous enemy to American democracy than Iran, Russia, China or any other country.

> But Israelis have bought our corruptible political system...

This isn't Stormfront, or a British newspaper. Please take your Zionist conspiracy theories elsewhere.

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