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Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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Post by ethbro » Tue, Feb 16, 2016, 2:42 AM UTC

caseysoftware wrote: post #17

Blahah wrote: post #9

Can someone explain why this is happening for us non-Americans (or possibly just me if I missed some major news event)?

When Hillary Clinton served as Secretary of State, she used a private email server that was stored at her home and later in hosting facility not cleared for classified information (supposedly in a bathroom). Initially, she claimed there was no classified information on the server at any time. Further, when she was required to turn over records to comply with archival rules, she had her staff delete the personal messa…

Side note: I've read a few articles in which previous State employees have characterized State Department IT infrastructure as... less than functional.

Given that this is the federal government, an older and large department, and pre-USDS/18F, I consider that at least a somewhat plausible scenario.

Would be curious if anyone closer could lend a technical opinion on whether those claims have merit or are spin. (Given how bad signal:noise is on this issue)

Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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Post by orbitingpluto » Tue, Feb 16, 2016, 2:42 AM UTC

argonaut wrote: post #34

awakeasleep wrote: post #5

Chelsea's email to B & H about her experience in Haiti is an informative read. I had assumed our disaster mitigation/rescue NGOs were a lot more effective than they actually are. They sound pretty awful, reading that email.

Yeah. Someone I know who briefly worked at the UN had some interesting stories about incompetence and politics where factional lines were drawn by nationality.

I got sat next to a CIDA worker at a wedding. She talked about her duties ensuring that a Canadian agency head was provided with adequate and hygienic toilets in Haiti. Reports included trips to various places and pictures of each possible crapper along the way. Tax dollars at work...

Can you imagine being the lead team on that? The existential ennui alone about the pointlessness of it all.

edit:forgot to mention that it was Haiti, acronym is CIDA, not CANAID

Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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Post by caf » Tue, Feb 16, 2016, 2:46 AM UTC

caseysoftware wrote: post #17

Blahah wrote: post #9

Can someone explain why this is happening for us non-Americans (or possibly just me if I missed some major news event)?

When Hillary Clinton served as Secretary of State, she used a private email server that was stored at her home and later in hosting facility not cleared for classified information (supposedly in a bathroom). Initially, she claimed there was no classified information on the server at any time. Further, when she was required to turn over records to comply with archival rules, she had her staff delete the personal messa…

So, as another outside observer looking in, the use of the private email doesn't seem to be relevant to the document release itself, right? That's just the result of a FOI request, because public official's emails are subject to FOI, regardless of where they're stored.

So what I wonder is, do we see this with every candidate? Is there a similar archive of Jeb Bush's emails from his time as Governor of Florida? Or do the States not tend to have the same kind of FOI transparency as the Federal Government?

Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Feb 16, 2016, 2:47 AM UTC

tannhauser23 wrote: post #35

Pyxl101 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> all communication with public officials is archived and made public Is that all communication period, or only communication with them while they're acting in their capacity as a public official? How do public officials keep their legitimately personal business private? (E.g., having an affair). Can their personal email accounts be opened up and made public at any time? I'm curious.

All government work related emails are archived. They're available to the public through Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests - basically, you make a request to the federal government for certain types of information and they are required to provide it to you, subject to limitations for relevance, confidentiality, etc. Purely personal emails aren't archived. Government officials and employees use personal email…

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Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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Post by Fuzzwah » Tue, Feb 16, 2016, 2:48 AM UTC

awakeasleep wrote: post #5

Chelsea's email to B & H about her experience in Haiti is an informative read. I had assumed our disaster mitigation/rescue NGOs were a lot more effective than they actually are. They sound pretty awful, reading that email.

Here's a direct link to the email, to save anyone else having to search for it:

http://graphics.wsj.com/hillary-clinton-email-documents/pdfs...

Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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Post by mattzito » Tue, Feb 16, 2016, 2:52 AM UTC

caf wrote: post #43

caseysoftware wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Hillary Clinton served as Secretary of State, she used a private email server that was stored at her home and later in hosting facility not cleared for classified information (supposedly in a bathroom). Initially, she claimed there was no classified information on the server at any time. Further, when she was required to turn over records to comply with archival rules, she had her staff delete the personal messa…

So, as another outside observer looking in, the use of the private email doesn't seem to be relevant to the document release itself, right? That's just the result of a FOI request, because public official's emails are subject to FOI, regardless of where they're stored. So what I wonder is, do we see this with every candidate? Is there a similar archive of Jeb Bush's emails from his time as Governor of Florida? Or do…

State laws vary, but jeb bush has been pretty transparent - iirc he actually released a book of his emails as governor.

Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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Post by redwyvern » Tue, Feb 16, 2016, 2:53 AM UTC

Read "Flowers"

Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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Post by samstave » Tue, Feb 16, 2016, 2:54 AM UTC

chishaku wrote: post #15

bishnu wrote: post #2

The banality of it all is what strikes me. A personal favorite: http://graphics.wsj.com/hillary-clinton-email-documents/#/?d... Been there, Hil :)

All the interesting stuff has been [ ].

Exactly. If anyone were to think that hillarys email server was not wiped with cloth prior to any of this BS - they'd be a full on idiot.

Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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Post by cubano » Tue, Feb 16, 2016, 2:54 AM UTC

dpweb wrote: post #10

What striking to me, however certainly expected, is all the sycophantic drivel heaped onto a powerful person. "You looked fabulous", "we were discussing how incredible you are". Perhaps aides think somehow they are being supportive, but if I were that powerful person, I believe I would rather just a few people I trust to tell me when I'm effing up - than everyone telling me how fantastic I am.

In lieu of actual achievement and hard work, ass-kissing such as this is what political connection selects for, so it is hardly surprising to me that these emails are littered with such "sycophantic drivel."

Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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Post by samstave » Tue, Feb 16, 2016, 2:55 AM UTC

dpweb wrote: post #10

What striking to me, however certainly expected, is all the sycophantic drivel heaped onto a powerful person. "You looked fabulous", "we were discussing how incredible you are". Perhaps aides think somehow they are being supportive, but if I were that powerful person, I believe I would rather just a few people I trust to tell me when I'm effing up - than everyone telling me how fantastic I am.

Apply this to all her email:

https://sense2vec.spacy.io/