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We're hearing about troubles at Nest

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Re: We're hearing about troubles at Nest

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I have a nest and it is a real piece of shit. I usually don't curse on HN but I can barely contain my hate for this product. My absolutely ugly, crappy old thermostat with a needle on it works WAY better than the nest (thankfully we have it upstairs where we sleep). When it's cold, we turn that needle up, and we get warm. With the nest, which is downstairs, when we're cold, we turn the nest up, we get weird "+2 hour"…

The machine controls you -- exactly, isn't that what Google is all about?

Re: We're hearing about troubles at Nest

#62
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For some reason I get the feeling that adopting all of these "smart" devices actually makes me more vulnerable to risk and gives me less control over my life. Oh, of course it does. Consider: when are you more in control, when you know the city you're in inside-out, or when you're depending on Google Maps?

You're considering only one dimension. Consider: When you are in a new city, when are you more likely to learn the city inside-out, when you don't have Google Maps, or when you do?

Depends if you like talking to people IRL

(Disclaimer: I usually don't)

Re: We're hearing about troubles at Nest

#63

Inevitablities from the Internet of things: Software glitches, personal data sold or served to the government, personal data stolen by a foreign government, hackers that freeze your house or crank up the heater till it breaks, hackers that spy on your kids with the cameras you installed, automated customer support lines. For some reason I get the feeling that adopting all of these "smart" devices actually makes me mo…

Did Socrates actually say that or was it just something Plato had him say in his book?

Re: We're hearing about troubles at Nest

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post #5
post #3

I bought a Nest thermostat and I've been extremely unimpressed with it. It's not just the bugs that will have you wake up in the middle of the night in a freezing home. Even when it works as intended, the product is poorly thought out. - Instead of trying to learn when to apply heat and when not to, which depends on many contextual factors, it seems to be targeting learning a calendar. A calendar does not fully captu…

I've started using IFTTT to work around some of this. For example, I have it set home/away based on an IFTTT geofence. Unfortunately, IFTTT doesn't do home/away yet, but you can write your own trivial "app" to do it simply by registering as a dev and using the Maker channel in IFTTT.

If you're an iOS user, check out Skylark. Does up to five devices for geofencing. My partner and I have it, and when both of our devices are outside the fence, it goes Away. When one ones back in, it comes Home.

Re: We're hearing about troubles at Nest

#65
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For some reason I get the feeling that adopting all of these "smart" devices actually makes me more vulnerable to risk and gives me less control over my life. Oh, of course it does. Consider: when are you more in control, when you know the city you're in inside-out, or when you're depending on Google Maps?

You're considering only one dimension. Consider: When you are in a new city, when are you more likely to learn the city inside-out, when you don't have Google Maps, or when you do?

It's a mix. If I need to get somewhere specific I'll follow directions, but if I'm browsing then I don't learn much by looking down at a screen the whole time.

Last time I was in DC for a conference in Foggy Bottom I got a recommendation for a pizza shop a few blocks from my hotel. &pizza, not bad.

Next day I went to that general area and browsed around looking for a bar. Because I didn't just look up bars on Yelp I was able to distinguish the character of the places I walked around, like the feel of a neighborhood that primarily houses GWU students, and another that is for unreasonably wealthy urban homeowners.

tl;dr I get what I want from a maps app when I know what I want. If I don't know what I want, I go out and learn by experience.

Re: We're hearing about troubles at Nest

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post #63

Inevitablities from the Internet of things: Software glitches, personal data sold or served to the government, personal data stolen by a foreign government, hackers that freeze your house or crank up the heater till it breaks, hackers that spy on your kids with the cameras you installed, automated customer support lines. For some reason I get the feeling that adopting all of these "smart" devices actually makes me mo…

Did Socrates actually say that or was it just something Plato had him say in his book?

We can't tell for sure, but it teaches us something, and that's the best we can hope for.

Re: We're hearing about troubles at Nest

#67
I've once worked for a startup run by a CEO with a bulging Steve Jobs complex. I was miserable for four years, questioned my sanity often and almost wrecked my family and my health. I feel deeply for all Nest employees; their continued screaming misery is manifest in the poor quality of Nest products. Hopefully they'll have the good sense to quit before all is lost.

Re: We're hearing about troubles at Nest

#68
post #8

I have a nest and it is a real piece of shit. I usually don't curse on HN but I can barely contain my hate for this product. My absolutely ugly, crappy old thermostat with a needle on it works WAY better than the nest (thankfully we have it upstairs where we sleep). When it's cold, we turn that needle up, and we get warm. With the nest, which is downstairs, when we're cold, we turn the nest up, we get weird "+2 hour"…

The Nest thermostat is a dream compared to the smoke detector. The smoke detector goes off all the time -- without rhyme or reason. With a normal detector, you can just pull the battery if it refuses to shut off. With Nest, you actually need a screw driver to open the battery compartment to turn it off. So, when it decides to wake up the entire house at 3am (yes, the entire house, since they all go off in unison) you…

When I see that video, I now understand why there exists a Twitter account called Internet of Shit.

https://twitter.com/internetofshit

Re: We're hearing about troubles at Nest

#69

I worked there. It was literally the worst experience of my career - and I have worked at all of the hardest charging blue chips and two successful startups - so it is not about high expectations - but abuse. I still wake up with something like PTSD occasionally from getting yelled at and bullied by Tony Fadell almost literally every day while I was there. I have a distance from it now -- and a way better job. It mad…

...and the Nest devices I recently purchased will be getting returned immediately.

Re: We're hearing about troubles at Nest

#70

I worked there. It was literally the worst experience of my career - and I have worked at all of the hardest charging blue chips and two successful startups - so it is not about high expectations - but abuse. I still wake up with something like PTSD occasionally from getting yelled at and bullied by Tony Fadell almost literally every day while I was there. I have a distance from it now -- and a way better job. It mad…

Sounds like Tony Fadell has lost sight of what's important in life.
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