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Re: We're hearing about troubles at Nest

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I didn't work at Nest, but for 2011 to 2012, I was a Systems Analyst for a similar company - selling smart thermostats to Quick Service Restaurants (Taco Bell's and McDonald's). One of the hidden problems we had was maintaining "smart" control when the end-user's thermal comfort level wasn't lining up. We turn on A/C to help dry up some humidity, but what we regard as ok the end-user was now "freezing". The biggest i…

Please do. I would be very interested in said report.

Re: We're hearing about troubles at Nest

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I worked there. It was literally the worst experience of my career - and I have worked at all of the hardest charging blue chips and two successful startups - so it is not about high expectations - but abuse. I still wake up with something like PTSD occasionally from getting yelled at and bullied by Tony Fadell almost literally every day while I was there. I have a distance from it now -- and a way better job. It mad…

Also worked there, but not on hardware, and the crunch-ness was no better. It's also an org driven more by design and marketing than by QA and sound development and engineering. You always felt like you were failing and behind. It was a very discouraging experience.

1/5, would not recommend.

Re: We're hearing about troubles at Nest

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The 1st law of robotics: a robot must not do any harm to a human through its action or allow harm through its inaction. The 2nd law of robotics: a robot must obey an order given to it by a human, except when in conflict with the first law.

Seems like the Nest thermostat isn't built to obey the above laws!

Re: We're hearing about troubles at Nest

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I have Nest thermostat and a Nest camera. Thermostat is in the hallway and regularly thinks nobody is home. Camera knows I'm home because of movement (or I should be able to show it how to tell). But the Camera doesn't talk to the thermostat. You create a dependency when devices connect to the Internet and you may give up some privacy. In return I assume you'd get some intelligence and integration.

My #1 issue my Nest is that my house is always freezing in the winter because it always thinks I'm not home as I might be home but not necessarily walk in front of the thermostat routinely. Hence it switches to "Auto Away" mode. It would be nice if the Nest app I had on my phone could identify that I'm home (i.e. am I connected to my home WiFi network, or check my location via GPS) and then communicate that to my the…

My SmartThings supports a smartphone geo-fence to detect presence and an NFC fob if you don't want to link a phone. I don't understand why my Nest can't do that too.

I get the feeling that Nest has transitioned from innovation to revenue.

Re: We're hearing about troubles at Nest

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I've grown more and more disenchanted with my Nest. Reliability has gone way downhill - I used to be able to log in to the app and turn Away mode off before coming home to warm the house.

Now? With the same WAPs, same firmware (on the WAP), same SSID, etc, most of the time (at least 75%) the app will act as if its sent the request (indeed, it initially is reporting 'realistic' figures from the thermostat as to current temperature and settings), and reflects the change (i.e. turning orange, saying Heat On).

Except if you refresh the display. In which case it tells you that there's a communication error and it can't find your Nest.

And the actions haven't actually gone through. And nothing you can do will change anything.

Get home, hit "Home" manually? All of a sudden the app works again.

Nest Support? "Likely a problem with your wireless access point not supporting WPA properly" Uhh? This used to work fine, the network is WPA2, and everything else on the network never complains.

Re: We're hearing about troubles at Nest

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> I still wake up with something like PTSD from getting yelled at and bullied by Tony Fadell. This is so depressing. My gut tells me that absolutely no one should have to put up with this in an employment situation, but what are your options, other than to either "deal with it" or face the income and career insecurity that comes with quitting?

The really great thing about being in software in Silicon Valley is that you can more or less write your own meal ticket somewhere else. My advice to anyone else in this situation is to do just that. The first time abuse happens, just walk out, have a laugh about it (it reflects on them not you), and find another gig. There are a lot of great jobs out there. I have a lot of empathy now for all the crummy jobs where p…

...which is why we should all be particularly angry when companies in Silicon Valley agree to not try to recruit each-other's employees. It doesn't just hold down wages, it makes it more likely some employee is going to suffer abuse because they don't know what options they have.

Re: We're hearing about troubles at Nest

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Honest question: how did someone with such an abusive management style lead his company to success? I'd think that his employees would just leave and go work elsewhere.

Because behaving like this is moderately correlated with success. You don't have to be an asshole to succeed in business, but it can help.

Yes but I'm asking how. If you piss off your employees and they leave, how do you grow your business into a multibillion-dollar company?

Re: We're hearing about troubles at Nest

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I have a nest and it is a real piece of shit. I usually don't curse on HN but I can barely contain my hate for this product. My absolutely ugly, crappy old thermostat with a needle on it works WAY better than the nest (thankfully we have it upstairs where we sleep). When it's cold, we turn that needle up, and we get warm. With the nest, which is downstairs, when we're cold, we turn the nest up, we get weird "+2 hour"…

The apartment we are renting has a Nest. And it just reeks of solution looking for a problem to me. I've never felt like the Nest is an improvement over what it's replacing.

It hit me when I was in bed and wanted to turn the heat up, so I grabbed my phone and launched the Nest app. Not sure what segment of the network was having issues, but it wouldn't connect to the thermostat. After about 3 minutes of fiddling, I got up, turned the heat up on the thermostat itself, and went back to bed. The whole situation was just really dumb.

Re: We're hearing about troubles at Nest

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I worked there. It was literally the worst experience of my career - and I have worked at all of the hardest charging blue chips and two successful startups - so it is not about high expectations - but abuse. I still wake up with something like PTSD occasionally from getting yelled at and bullied by Tony Fadell almost literally every day while I was there. I have a distance from it now -- and a way better job. It mad…

Honest question: how did someone with such an abusive management style lead his company to success? I'd think that his employees would just leave and go work elsewhere.

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Re: We're hearing about troubles at Nest

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> For some reason I get the feeling that adopting all of these "smart" devices actually makes me more vulnerable to risk and gives me less control over my life. Oh, of course it does. Consider: when are you more in control, when you know the city you're in inside-out, or when you're depending on Google Maps?

Well, lemme think... 2012, October. I, an American from upstate NY, am traveling on the Queen Elizabeth Way to visit a friend in Toronto, a city I last saw at the age of 3. There are at least 6 lanes on the highway, packed with drivers so cantankerous and forceful that save for the autumn gray I could swear I was in LA. I'm approaching the city and a display by the road says the route is closed for construction. My m…

Ah but I bet that the animations were beautiful and the icons all lined up perfectly
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