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Re: Too many people have peed in the pool

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In-fighting within communities is one of reddit's biggest problems.

There is bleeding over from one extremist community to others. (Namely SRS)

SRS is the boogeyman of Reddit. It doesn't have nearly the power so many people seem to think. There are plenty of reactionary subreddits on multiple sides of various spectrums.

Re: Too many people have peed in the pool

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There is no friendly way to say it, the mass market are morons. It might be derogatory jokes, but this can also include things like spreading urban legends which were debunked four decades ago. Just like Usenet and countless other online communities, what starts a a small group of fairly privileged and elite eventually degrades in to garbage as the reach increases. This is not so much an overall size issue but a rela…

I couldn't agree more about the mass market being morons. It's hard to say and not often said so bluntly in public though. Not because it's untrue but because the person saying it could be afraid they might be a part of that group of morons. I can't tell you how many times I've heard a moron call everyone else morons. So is there ever any way to know when "the mass market are morons" means what it says literally or w…

"The majority is always sane."

Re: Too many people have peed in the pool

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I have a theory about FB and Twitter -- or maybe more of an observation. Anyway, back in the stone age, people had bumper stickers with little slogans on them. And in the break rooms of various places of work, there was always a bulletin board an on a corner of it there was always some faded-from-to-many-xeroxes bit of humor/racism/sports fandom/sexism/dirty joke or other us-vs.-them thing on it that people would loo…

My theory is that it's because social media systems encourage and publicise agreement, while discouraging and hiding disagreement. This leads to a huge positive feedback effect on any meme that catches even a tiny number of people's attention, no matter how crazy. On twitter, you signify agreement by retweeting; this takes seconds and permanently adds to the tweet's score. But to disagree, I have to write a message o…

> Maybe we just need a 'dislike' button along with the 'like' button. It'd certainly be an interesting experiment.

100% agree. And note that HN is already running this experiment; we have downvotes as well as upvotes.

Re: Too many people have peed in the pool

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Sure, we can't have an apolitical space. But we can have an activism-free space, and that's exactly what I want.

so, a safe space from activism? :p i think your desire is reasonable. however, i think it would be unreasonable to demand it of something as public and global as Twitter.

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Re: Too many people have peed in the pool

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I have a theory about FB and Twitter -- or maybe more of an observation. Anyway, back in the stone age, people had bumper stickers with little slogans on them. And in the break rooms of various places of work, there was always a bulletin board an on a corner of it there was always some faded-from-to-many-xeroxes bit of humor/racism/sports fandom/sexism/dirty joke or other us-vs.-them thing on it that people would loo…

My theory is that it's because social media systems encourage and publicise agreement, while discouraging and hiding disagreement. This leads to a huge positive feedback effect on any meme that catches even a tiny number of people's attention, no matter how crazy. On twitter, you signify agreement by retweeting; this takes seconds and permanently adds to the tweet's score. But to disagree, I have to write a message o…

I don't use Twitter, but I agree with your point that crowd-sourced opinion, without constraints--the "dislike" option you offer, for instance--often produces a questionable consensus...

Consider 1} Cunningham's Law: "The best way to get the right answer on the Internet is not to ask a question, it's to post the wrong answer."

Only somewhat whimsical with more than a bit of truth to it...implying that if you post something without much merit someone will be along shortly to set you straight...

Unchecked commentary allows a "conversation" to run headlong...speculation...rumors...gossip...

We all have different preferences for entertainment I guess...I prefer thoughtful sources...

1} https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cunningham%27s_Law

Re: Too many people have peed in the pool

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"lol" is an amazingly useful addition to written, casual language. It's the textual equivalent of a smile/head nod in normal conversation. Remember that in physical conversation, body language conveys 80-90% of the message - phrases like "lol" and emojis take the place of body language.

Possibly interesting side note, I have noticed over the last few years the vocalization of 'lol' being used more and more genuinely as an affirmation of a mildly humorous situation or statement that didn't actually happen to produce a laugh. I think it started being used sarcastically or ironically, but has lost that attribute for the most part.

About a decade ago one of my friends took to saying the word "sigh" (deadpan, with no intonation in his voice) instead of actually sighing. It annoyed me to no end.

Re: Too many people have peed in the pool

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post #102

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There is no friendly way to say it, the mass market are morons. It might be derogatory jokes, but this can also include things like spreading urban legends which were debunked four decades ago. Just like Usenet and countless other online communities, what starts a a small group of fairly privileged and elite eventually degrades in to garbage as the reach increases. This is not so much an overall size issue but a rela…

I couldn't agree more about the mass market being morons. It's hard to say and not often said so bluntly in public though. Not because it's untrue but because the person saying it could be afraid they might be a part of that group of morons. I can't tell you how many times I've heard a moron call everyone else morons. So is there ever any way to know when "the mass market are morons" means what it says literally or w…

>>So is there ever any way to know when "the mass market are morons" means what it says literally or when it's a stand-in for "most people aren't agreeing with my strongly held beliefs".

Absolutely there is. We have a measuring stick with which we can measure the validity of one's beliefs: empirical evidence.

If you believe X, and scientists say we have sufficient empirical evidence that confirms that belief, and the mass market doesn't believe X, that makes the mass market a bunch of morons. This is inarguable.

Re: Too many people have peed in the pool

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I have a theory about FB and Twitter -- or maybe more of an observation. Anyway, back in the stone age, people had bumper stickers with little slogans on them. And in the break rooms of various places of work, there was always a bulletin board an on a corner of it there was always some faded-from-to-many-xeroxes bit of humor/racism/sports fandom/sexism/dirty joke or other us-vs.-them thing on it that people would loo…

My theory is that it's because social media systems encourage and publicise agreement, while discouraging and hiding disagreement. This leads to a huge positive feedback effect on any meme that catches even a tiny number of people's attention, no matter how crazy. On twitter, you signify agreement by retweeting; this takes seconds and permanently adds to the tweet's score. But to disagree, I have to write a message o…

> Maybe we just need a 'dislike' button along with the 'like' button. It'd certainly be an interesting experiment.

FWIW, this is coming very soon to FB in the form of "reactions" rather than a simple "dislike" feature.

http://www.engadget.com/2016/01/27/facebook-reactions-launch...

Re: Too many people have peed in the pool

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Anonymity helps a lot, I think. This site isn't completely anonymous but it de-emphasizes usernames such that it's easy to miss them. Explicit policies are the other thing, and strong personal leadership. It's when the moderators become an unaccountable committee that a site starts to go downhill.

Conversely, the best online community I know is our village website, where real names are required - on the basis that you're less likely to be rude to someone who you might meet in the street tomorrow. It's notable that the biggest aggro we have is generally from people who live outside the village and therefore aren't invested in making relationships work. And yes, I do realise it's all a bit Royston Vasey - "a loc…

I'm working with the editor of our local newspaper to put together something for our community, and would be interested in hearing more about your village website. Could I get a link?

Re: Too many people have peed in the pool

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Without clarifying it it looks like he stood on stage in front of a bunch of rich celebrities and slagged off the winner of an award for not wearing conventional dress to an award show. I'm all for offensive comedy, but this wasn't a joke, he was basically slagging her off in public, live on television to a room full of people. Without context of their relationship it really looks like bullying. That's completely dif…

Take a look at what was actually said: "Only one of the great cinematic costume designers would come to the awards dressed like a bag lady." If people weren't so quick to jump on the "blame the white guy" wagon... you'd see that it was actually a pretty clever statement.

Something can be both clever and offensive – the two are not mutually exclusive...
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