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Re: Too many people have peed in the pool

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I've been thinking a lot about online communities since I listened to "So you've been publicly shamed" by Jon Ronson [0].

I quite like twitter just now but I don't follow many people and nobody follows me. I often see tweets from indie game devs discussing yet another Twitter storm in a teacup and I'm frustrated by how much stupid stuff escalates.

[0] http://www.amazon.co.uk/So-Youve-Been-Publicly-Shamed/dp/033...

Re: Too many people have peed in the pool

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I don't know if it will prevail in the end, but I think that Reddit approach by splitting the community in small subgroups/communities has a better chance to last in the long run. Of course, you'll create feuds between communities but at least it is somewhat confined and not always spilling in the common public space. Unfortunately it also greatly increases the echo chamber / filter bubble but it seems you can not ha…

In-fighting within communities is one of reddit's biggest problems.

(Not directly applicable to Twitter, but to online communities in general)

It'd be interesting if you could have two votes: whether you liked what the person posted (which would only be visible to them) and whether you'd personally share it with your friends (which would affect it's ranking only among your friends)

Or put differently, I wonder if it's not possible to create a system that dynamically sorts content, instead of having static groups. Seems like static groups with a label on them inevitably end up arguing about exactly what the label means (grin).

I don't want an echo chamber, and I want to be challenged -- but I don't want a daily rage fest against whomever the internet currently hates either.

Re: Too many people have peed in the pool

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The problem isn't that this is a Twitter problem. It's that this is a cultural problem. People kinda suck. People kinda suck a lot. I was having a conversation with a friend at lunch, when I started putting ketchup on my hotdog. He looked at me and incredulously questioned, "really? What are you, like, 8 years old?" I had never even heard of the idea that "only children put ketchup on a hotdog." Yet here was someone…

Where are you from? I'm very surprised anyone would even consider eating hotdog without ketchup so it must be a cultural thing.

Re: Too many people have peed in the pool

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Probably worth noting as a bit of context to this that Fry was presenting the BAFTA awards last night, said something offensive about someone who was a friend of his (but the public wouldn't necessarily have known that), and people on social media reacted badly.

Re: Too many people have peed in the pool

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I think this is a natural consequence of the twitter format. The short message motivates (some) users to win cheap points, offend or simply scream loudly in order to get attention. In my Luddite mind the political conversation is becoming Twitter-fied and now focuses more on short sound bites rather than a sound discourse.

Now? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amusing_Ourselves_to_Death [Neil Postman] also repeatedly states that the eighteenth century, being the Age of Reason, was the pinnacle for rational argument. Only in the printed word, he states, could complicated truths be rationally conveyed. Postman gives a striking example: Many of the first fifteen U.S. presidents could probably have walked down the street without being recogni…

Postman's is an excellent book.

McLuhan said it: The Medium is the Message.

Re: Too many people have peed in the pool

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I'm a bit monomaniacal about this, but the current online culture wars (and the previous offline culture wars) make me wish that secession didn't have such a bad name. It is obvious that large groups of people have irreconcilable differences of opinion on matters of free speech, sexuality, gun ownership and so on. It is a shame that rather than a firm handshake and friendly wave goodbye, we will end up with a totalit…

As an anarchs-capitalist I'd be happy to have a society where anarchs-communists had their communes and lived under their own rules. This may seem off topic but its directly relevant- we regularly have these debates in the anarchist community. But at the end of the day, it seems the anarchs-communists don't want to live under their own rules for themselves, they want us to live under their rules too. (Yes, the irony…

Too simplistic, regional arrangements don't necessarily mean everyone in said community follows the ideology of that group. Moving outside of the realm of abstracted ideological thought experiments is kind of a difficult thing. So how do you handle folks breaking your version of human rights in separate groups? Just ignore it? How's that much different from nation states?

Re: Too many people have peed in the pool

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I wonder is it so hard to build an automatic "insult" detector with all recent progress with deep learning. Quick googling gave quite a couple of older papers: "Offensive Language Detection Using Multi-level Classification" http://www.eiti.uottawa.ca/~diana/publications/Flame_Final.p... "Automatic identification of personal insults on social news sites" http://labfs.eecs.northwestern.edu/~sara/Site/Publications_f...

How many false positives would you be willing to put up with before you left a platform altogether?

I'm not saying the detector should filter all tweets everywhere, was just thinking about an option for some sensitive people to turn on which would affect only tweets mentioning them, for example.

Re: Too many people have peed in the pool

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Twitter needs to be very careful. I use Facebook to follow my friends. I use Twitter to follow influencers/celebrities. If they start leaving and Twitter is just left with the musings of the average joe they're going to lose and lot of users.
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