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Re: Ask HN: When should you quit?

#31
My husband had the same problem when I met him. He was 27 and just decided to never ever make a living from programming again because he felt sick of it.

So, he decided he would organize bicycle rides in Transylvania. And he looked really cool doing that so I fell in love with him, but he wasn't making any money while working his ass off. I didn't care ( -I had a job), but after a while, he did. I'm used to not afford basic stuff, but he got sick of scarcity then.

We only started doing little websites for friends in the afternoon. But they asked for more, so what could we do, right?

And here we are after 7 years, having a small software company... in Transylvania. Many times it does feel like "eating glass and staring into the abyss...". Maybe it's a grownup thing to feel that way and stand up to it. It's the overcoming of all the winning is what gives you dignity, in the end, I think.

I don't think you should quit.

Re: Ask HN: When should you quit?

#32
post #31

My husband had the same problem when I met him. He was 27 and just decided to never ever make a living from programming again because he felt sick of it. So, he decided he would organize bicycle rides in Transylvania. And he looked really cool doing that so I fell in love with him, but he wasn't making any money while working his ass off. I didn't care ( -I had a job), but after a while, he did. I'm used to not affor…

Great story, thanks for sharing it.

Re: Ask HN: When should you quit?

#33
Stop reading HN and other such. It's giving you a horribly distorted view that seems to have wormed its way inside your head and is damaging you. To paraphrase Mary Schmich, "Do not read SV news websites, they will only make you feel like a failure."

Re: Ask HN: When should you quit?

#34
I am 28 and two years ago had similar feelings. I burned out after 6 years working in IT corporate environment in shift mode.

Moving to different area helped me a lot. But same mind-set reoccurred after 3 years and i burnt out again, another moving to different area.

Now I have kids, house with my own workshop where I have environment for creative hobby - woodworking. I can see real result of my job. Beside this I work in IT corporate and have company with on-demand programming services.

I feel it's stable period, with work-relax balance, at least for now.

Re: Ask HN: When should you quit?

#35
post #27

If you're going to make an irrational decision, do it out of love, not hate. When was the last time you fell in love? Maybe it was a girlfriend, perhaps it was a language? Perhaps it was with an apple product? I realize your questioning why I'm asking this. But here's the thing. If you're going to make an irrational decision, do it out of love, not out of hate. My love is photography, I fell in love with it while tak…

"If you're going to make an irrational decision, do it out of love, not hate." :) This is awesome advice, specially for seemingly crucial decision points.

Re: Ask HN: When should you quit?

#37
You aren't too old to do something new.

People working in this industry are often required to display unfelt enthusiasm for things that really aren't terribly exciting. One can be forgiven for being through with this nonsense by the age of 30.

I would never consider working as a software developer but for my sincere interest in the value that my software provides and my enjoyment of the craft. Otherwise I think it would be comparable to accounting, the quintessential boring yet rewarding career.

Do what you truly wish to do. To be concerned about being too old at the age of 30 is just silly.

Re: Ask HN: When should you quit?

#38
I've read all the comments, thank you so much!

I'm going to seriously think through all the suggestions.

I realize what made me unhappy is the business side of things not necessarily what I created.

Which made me realize how horrible I am at peddling software.

Re: Ask HN: When should you quit?

#39
We live in a very strange world...

It takes these odd postings (like this one) to bring out scores of people who say "I've been there too, I got burnt out and I started to give zero fucks"

While many HN users enjoy the articulate nature of programming and have a great enthusiasm for it as a hobby, the truth is that we are all different, in very strong ways.

To the OP, before you quit, try to find another gig, perhaps not in software, but any gig to get you by. Remember that most of the world works in jobs they are not passionate about and money is a means to sustenance. Once you have a decent income stream, even if it means working as a coffee-barrista, start to find your life outside of work.

To everyone else suffering from HN, programmer-speak, x-libraries, x-languages, x-ideas, x-dreams, x-future, x-80-hour-workweeks:

Take a step back from your job and find yourself. See your job as nothing but a job. No amount of perks, free lunches, free gym-membership is going to change the fact that you are just a cog in the chain. Keep your job to keep your sustenance, but start living outside your work. Love your wife, love your children, or try to find a wife and have children. Hold on to your dear ones and build relationships beyond your tech circles. Explore ~ global travel is expensive, but chilling in a forest or sitting by a lake only costs you a little driving time and nothing else. Live outside your career, because your code will not matter and will not be remembered when you die. You, as a person, will be remembered; only by those you've built relationships with (and not your employer who gave you free lunches in 2016)

Above all else, value your time. If you never get to HN/reddit frontpage with 1246 upvotes to your legendary docker-esque github repo, breath in, look outside the window and repeat: who gives a fuck (and then move on with your life)

Re: Ask HN: When should you quit?

#40
I am in a very similar place right now.

Similarly horrified that my only valuable skillset makes me effectively chained to the computer screen, forever.

Been self-employed so long that full-time employers see the experience as a disqualifier from hiring. Let a string of bad business deals put me in so much debt I have no hope of putting together the financial cushion or runway towards taking an extended break or re-skilling into another industry. Been taken advantage of so many times by tech industry titans that I trust no one. Turns out the root cause was partly a mental illness working against me my entire career that I only recently was diagnosed for, well into adulthood.

Completely deflated in confidence or ability. Burned out to the point where I can no longer even effectively fake enthusiasm for selling my abilities. Jaded hostility I can no longer control towards clients, peers. Hide away from socializing with anyone else with ties to the tech business because of social anxiety fears they'll judge me for my failure, or worse, I'll get drunk and lash out.

Therapists suggest a major career change but I have no skills in anything else that could pay my bills. All the attempts at shifting away to management, associated non-code skills tend to backfire.

When my checkbook is drained, it only refills with a half-hearted sales pitch to an old client, a grudging all-night session with a text editor.

Obligations to wife, sick elderly parents that keep me bound to where I live. Got somehow stuck in an absurdly expensive soul-crushing city with absurdly hight rents for absurdly tiny living spaces, that also happens to be critical for my wife's career. She's at the top of her game here. Leaving means she gives up her career.

I've been dreaming of living in the woods making furniture or something, being a tugboat captain, construction worker, a sanitation worker even. Welding, cutting bushes, mopping floors. It took 15 years to really truly drive home how badly I misjudged my ability to succeed in this business, what the consequences were for a career of being self-employed in something that didn't really motivate me to begin with. I need a paradigm shift in how I see my life, but it just won't seem to come.

Such a bleak comment. Ugh. Sorry. Anyhow, yea you're not alone.

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