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Re: I no longer understand my PhD dissertation

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I'm truly shocked by the multiple people in the thread who claim that Math knowledge can be completely erased through as little as a year of non-practice. For me, Math has always resembled riding a bike more than anything else. Sure, the first few moments, the path is a bit overgrown and all the weeds need to be cleared off but it was always significantly easier revisiting a topic than understanding it for the first…

I've recently taken a calculus problem (multidimensional real optimization) I guess for the first time since I was an student.

While your description has some merit, there's a huge amount of trivia in the format of "I can do X, I just have to do Y first", "X has no known solution, try something else", and "operation X is very useful, try it". That goes away, and everything gets way harder.

Re: I no longer understand my PhD dissertation

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TLDR: The author independently re-discovered what you may know as Old Code Syndrome. I think that's because mathematical papers place too much value on terseness and abstraction over exposition and intuition. This guy's basically in the position of a fairly new developer who's just been asked to do non-trivial update of his own code for the first time. All those clever one-liners he put into his code made him feel sm…

> I think that's because mathematical papers place too much value on terseness and abstraction over exposition and intuition.

If it only happened on mathematical papers... It is all over the place, in books, classes, etc. Few professors tell you what are they doing and why; they just throw formulas, theorems and symbols at you. Intuition is not given its necessary importance, first because it's hard to grasp some concepts, and second because sometimes there's no easy intution behind them unless you have deeper knowledge in the subject.

Regarding "unit tests", or descriptive names... That's very difficult once you get into advanced math. Examples are probably going to be trivial or too contrived to be useful. And if you have to give a name to a theorem or lemma, you'll end up describing its full contents.

Re: I no longer understand my PhD dissertation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (the one exception is that I always found proving things difficult) Proofs are at the heart of math. Everything else is something different.

V.I. Arnold: “Proofs are to mathematics what spelling (or even calligraphy) is to poetry. Mathematical works do consist of proofs, just as poems do consist of characters.”

It's true, but telling this to someone who thinks that doing some additions is doing mathematics will not help.

Re: I no longer understand my PhD dissertation

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My response is that for every 100 of these types of papers, one of them may prove to be pivotal or inspirational in something truly groundbreaking and functionally useful. For this reason, I am all for 100 different people spending their time doing things like this, because eventually one of them will make an impact that is greater than 100x the efforts of 100 normal men. It's just a different kind of "brick in the w…

I don't necessarily agree with that point of view. Even if a paper brings nothing new to the pot, it might help others to get into a field or a problem. I often find myself reading the introduction and first sections of useless (to me) papers just because they do a really good job at explaining things that are confusing. This last years I've really came to appreciate papers as a learning tool instead of class notes o…

Who's to say it doesn't bring anything new? If it's never been written before, it's new.

I often see technology growing in a "staircase" fashion. Things plateau, and then there's a period of many small 'chink in the armor' improvements... and then one of those ideas inspires something that floods into a whole new area.

Sometimes it takes a lot of smart brains throwing time at 'useless' junk before that insane theory is found. Othertimes we just await an Einstein-like brain to come on the scene and activate new stuff.

Re: I no longer understand my PhD dissertation

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This does not surprise me in the least. Math was always extremely easy for me growing up. Up through my first differential equations class I found almost everything trivial to learn (the one exception is that I always found proving things difficult). I made the mistake of minoring in math and that slowly killed my enjoyment of it. Once I got to differential geometry and advanced matrix theory it all just became too a…

I can relate to this. My major was EE and I had similar experiences, but kind of liked diffeq. Fast forward some 25+ years later, I spend all day coding and look to my old math and some new comp sci books for fun. I keep an engineering notepad with different sections in it so I can just open it up and attack problems such as concrete math problems from graham knuth and patashnik or physics problems. Even though I code through business problems on a daily basis using X framework and Y API, I find the rigor involved is not as satisfying as struggling through finding the closed form of some equation. I want to solve a deeper problem, if that makes any sense.

It isn't the answer that I seek in doing this; it's the desire to know why the answer is what it is. I think I have become more interested in learning far after graduating from university.

Re: I no longer understand my PhD dissertation

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A PhD isn't so much a test of intelligence as it is of perseverance.

I think it's hard to generalize about PhDs because of the huge diversity of experiences. A PhD student should have a lot of freedom to define for themselves what they get out of their education. They are responsible adults and if they wanted a "marketable skill," they would have finished with a BS or MS. Predictably, the flexibility of PhD education doesn't always happen, and even when it does, it's both a blessing and a curse.

Re: I no longer understand my PhD dissertation

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post #14

TLDR: The author independently re-discovered what you may know as Old Code Syndrome. I think that's because mathematical papers place too much value on terseness and abstraction over exposition and intuition. This guy's basically in the position of a fairly new developer who's just been asked to do non-trivial update of his own code for the first time. All those clever one-liners he put into his code made him feel sm…

> never mind five years!

Some bits of the DMD compiler back end go back 32, 33 years!

Re: I no longer understand my PhD dissertation

#49
I had several exceptional Math teachers throughout my education, but the piece of advice that stuck with me the most is:

"If you're not sure what you want to do with your life, study Math. Why? Because Math teaches you how to think."

The skills I learned studying Mathematics have been invaluable, the Math that I currently am able to recall is abysmal.

The author did a great job calling this out succinctly: Mathematics is an excellent proxy for problem-solving

Re: I no longer understand my PhD dissertation

#50

As a PhD in spplied math, I must say I concur wholeheartedly with the author. The true value of a PhD in a quantitative field is less about specific domain knowledge, and more in the set of general problem solving skills you pick up.

This raises an interesting question. Is the PhD process the best way to acquire those general problem solving skills? Or is there a better way to learn them?

From my experience of both academia and life in general, I'd say traditional tertiary education -- meaning lectures and research work from undergraduate upwards in a university setting -- is actually quite a poor way to learn anything.

I'd say the ideal way to develop knowledge, understanding and skill in almost any field is a combination of systematic practice and receiving personalised guidance and training from someone who thoroughly understands the field itself to at least the level you are trying to reach and is able to share that understanding effectively based on your current level of understanding.

Sadly, this is usually hopelessly unrealistic, because there are nowhere near enough suitable trainers around to give everyone close to 1:1 training in that format. But the further we drift from it, the more impersonal and generic training becomes, the more isolated individual practice becomes, the less immediate and detailed feedback becomes, the less effective the training regime as a whole will be.

Given that neither undergraduate-style mass lectures nor postgraduate-style research are particularly efficient at conveying useful information, guiding practice, or promoting rapid and actionable feedback, I personally don't rate either particularly highly on an idealised scale. Perhaps a more practically useful question would be whether there are ways to improve university-level training that are realistic given the time and money constraints and, beyond a certain point, the lack of many if any people who actually are more knowledgeable or skillful in increasingly specialised fields than the research student who is dedicated to exploring them.

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