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Re: Sci-Hub: Removing barriers in the way of science

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Post by lambdaelite »

germanier wrote: post #86
lambdaelite wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So why not email the corresponding author? I have yet to not get (or give) a manuscript that way. From my own perspective, each time I respond I'm possibly getting another citation. It's also a great form of networking.

What's the practical difference between getting any paper you need from the authors and getting any paper you need from such a website? Except much more work for anyone in the former case without any benefit.

Practically speaking, none I can think of. But I completely disagree that the networking aspect has no benefit.

Re: Sci-Hub: Removing barriers in the way of science

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Post by ikeboy »

smanzer wrote: post #43
Rainymood wrote: post #39

(1) Isnt this illegal? (2) How do they get access to those papers?

(1) Yes. In USA anyway. Creator is not in USA, however. (2) Academics donate their institutional login credentials to the site.

Do you know how I would go about donating my student access to the site? Do I need to give them my login, or can I run a program on my computer that logs in and downloads without giving anyone else the password?

Re: Sci-Hub: Removing barriers in the way of science

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Post by Fogest »

smanzer wrote: post #61
bhouston wrote: post #57

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Springer doesn't watermark based on logins? They could easily and then she the academics.

Usually being on the general university network is sufficient to get journal access. Using the university network credentials for the academic, it probably goes SciHub -> School -> Journal. So the school would have to block SciHub/discipline the academic. Disciplining people with tenure is hard, although maybe it is just graduate students giving the credentials idk.

There are many easy ways to get it to from others. Most students at Universities have access to the journal subscriptions as well. They get access by logging in with their University credentials OR using the barcode on their student card. BOTH of these are lost very often. People so often enter their details in a phishing site and lose their credentials, but what can also happen is that someone finds a lost student card and will take a picture of it and post it on Facebook asking if anyone can find x person.

This student card is typically on a public Facebook page and anyone could just use that code and get access to a wealth of journals.

Re: Sci-Hub: Removing barriers in the way of science

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Post by mirimir »

wolfgke wrote: post #67
lambdaelite wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One guidance for the ethical side are the guidelines agreed upon by professional associations. I can't think of any that condone copyright infringement.

Another guidance for the ethical side is the concrete behaviour of working scientists: If they would send you the paper if you asked them by email, this is a clear statement that copyright violation is perfectly okay.

Way back in the day, we would buy reprints from the journal, and then mail them to requesters. And then Xerox machines appeared, and we made our own copies. Now we just email PDFs.

Re: Sci-Hub: Removing barriers in the way of science

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Post by njharman »

lambdaelite wrote: post #56
zanny wrote: post #25

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Distinguish ethical from legal. Not all laws are ethical (depending on where you live, most laws could easily be unethical ), and this website goes out of its way to say why the laws they violate are not.

One guidance for the ethical side are the guidelines agreed upon by professional associations. I can't think of any that condone copyright infringement.

I disagree that that is a good source of guidance. Even if we take that as a given, OF COURSE few organizations promote breaking the law (sometimes a crime it self).

Although, many, many push to change the law / restrictions put on scientific research. I can't spend time to google and list all the references. start here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_science#Projects_promotin...

Re: Sci-Hub: Removing barriers in the way of science

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Post by petra »

oxplot wrote: post #15
srean wrote: post #11

Hope widespread knowledge about its existence does not kill it.

http://libgen.io/ which archives the sci-hub's newly accessed papers distributes the copies through BitTorrent. Libgen itself is also mirrored in multiple locations. Even if Sci-hub is taken down, it shouldn't take long for another to pop up.

They encrypt their torrents, so it's pretty useless.

Re: Sci-Hub: Removing barriers in the way of science

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Post by [deleted] »

oxplot wrote: post #15
srean wrote: post #11

Hope widespread knowledge about its existence does not kill it.

http://libgen.io/ which archives the sci-hub's newly accessed papers distributes the copies through BitTorrent. Libgen itself is also mirrored in multiple locations. Even if Sci-hub is taken down, it shouldn't take long for another to pop up.

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Re: Sci-Hub: Removing barriers in the way of science

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Post by astazangasta »

smanzer wrote: post #42
IshKebab wrote: post #34

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Didn't they also hassle people to review it (for free of course). That's the only thing that would be a bit hard to replace by a totally free service.

They do. They route it to the editor (senior academic), who routes it to appropriate reviewers. I think that the editor does it for free too in many cases. I feel like running ads on the site would pay for the bandwidth, only thing a totally free service couldn't replace is the prestige :(

Plos or NLM or any number of people will host the content for free; bandwidth is not at issue.

Re: Sci-Hub: Removing barriers in the way of science

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Post by [deleted] »

ikeboy wrote: post #92
smanzer wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(1) Yes. In USA anyway. Creator is not in USA, however. (2) Academics donate their institutional login credentials to the site.

Do you know how I would go about donating my student access to the site? Do I need to give them my login, or can I run a program on my computer that logs in and downloads without giving anyone else the password?

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