Am I the only one who thinks it is odd to fake an employee?
It just feels dishonest and utterly wrong to me.
Valentine's Day Special: Bye Bye Tinder, Flirting in the Support Channel
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Re: Valentine's Day Special: Bye Bye Tinder, Flirting in the Support Channel
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not defending the customers, I'm pointing out that "don't do things people won't want" doesn't really work unless you first establish that they won't want them, and it doesn't work at all when it becomes "don't try to gauge if someone wants X unless you know they want X".
As you correctly state, it is difficult to know exactly what someone does and doesn't want even at the best of times, but in a professional context it is a safe assumption that the person you are talking to wants to be treated professionally.
I agree, and I agree that it's lecherous and creepy to be hitting on support people (because, what, are they supposed to drop what they're doing and go out with you?) but that's about it. It's not sexist or terrible or anything, just very poor taste.
Re: Valentine's Day Special: Bye Bye Tinder, Flirting in the Support Channel
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, I have to agree with you despite the people talking about balance. Hitting on people at work or while they are in the performance of their work duties is not okay.
20% of married couples disagree. There seems to be a running belief that being creepy and hitting on someone are one and the same. "Come grab coffee in buenos ares ;)" != "cmon pleaaaaaaaaaaase". Say those in a bar, a dating site, at the water cooler, in an elevator, in a subway... they mean different things regardless of the location.
I met my wife at a past work and... I still disagree with you.
Look, my future wife and I shared an office but were on different teams and projects. We befriended each other. Neither of us embarrassed the other at work by making unwelcome passes that aren't easy to back away from in a work-related situation. We never really shared work responsibilities, but if we had, neither of us would have replied to a request for work-related help with an invitation to discuss the color of each other's eyes. Neither of us was in a position of power over the other. Our relationship developed outside of the office, in a context where it was obvious our interactions were not work related, and where if anyone wanted to back away from that, it wouldn't have impacted our jobs at all.
"Hitting on someone", in the context of writing unsolicited flirtatious messages on a support channel, prompted only by the fact the profile picture of support staff looks like a girl is unambiguously creepy. Was there any indication the girl wanted to be invited to coffee in a different country just because she, uh, looked like a female human?
Re: Valentine's Day Special: Bye Bye Tinder, Flirting in the Support Channel
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you and vinceguidry are really missing the point. "I, and she, would rather deal with the consequences of being really attractive than to stop." There should be no consequences to how you look, in general, but especially not the kind of consequences that women have to deal with. Some people (probably most people) don't wear clothes just to get a reaction from others. They wear clothes because they just like t…
It's not possible to know attention is unwanted until after it's given. Sometimes such attention is wanted. I know at least two women who sometimes complain about unwanted attention from men at tech conferences and similar circumstances. On the other hand, they both slept with me within a few hours of meeting me under the exact same circumstances as a result of exactly the same type of attention . They just happened…
"It's not possible to know attention is unwanted until after it's given."
It is totally possible to know in many different circumstances. Let's take the_af's example: sexual attention in the workplace.
IT IS NEVER APPROPRIATE TO GIVE SOMEONE SEXUAL ATTENTION IN THE WORKPLACE. So, right there we've got at least one way to tell when someone wants attention or not.
Another way to tell is if you are engaged in any kind of business transaction. Paying money at the toll booth, getting your strawberry power boost at Smoothie King, getting an adjustment in yoga class, getting help from tech support. Do not hit on people during a business transaction.
Yet another big hint is any time you're interacting with people you don't know in a situation where they would neither expect nor look for attention. Ask yourself if they came there to get hit on - coffee shop? Nope, they came for coffee. Farmer's market? Nope, came for vegetables. At a tech conference? They came to listen to tech talks. They did not attend so you could hit on them.
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On a more personal note: you, sir, are basically the stereotype of a misogynist womanizer. You go to tech conferences and hit on women, and even as they complain to your face about guys who pull the same shit you do, you completely ignore the fact that they're telling you they do not want that kind of attention there. The fact that you can convince them to sleep with you does not justify this behavior.
You say women receive more attention because of a social convention about hitting on people, completely missing the fact that most women do not want to fuck everyone they meet, like most men seem to. Women actually receive more attention because of a different social convention - that men believe they have the right to objectify and pursue sex from every woman they find attractive.
Finally, men who don't get laid are not suffering. Except maybe by suffering under the delusion that they are owed sex.
Re: Valentine's Day Special: Bye Bye Tinder, Flirting in the Support Channel
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
As you correctly state, it is difficult to know exactly what someone does and doesn't want even at the best of times, but in a professional context it is a safe assumption that the person you are talking to wants to be treated professionally.
I agree, and I agree that it's lecherous and creepy to be hitting on support people (because, what, are they supposed to drop what they're doing and go out with you?) but that's about it. It's not sexist or terrible or anything, just very poor taste.
Lecherous and creepy doesn't fall under terrible behavior?