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For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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The diagnosis criteria for most mental illnesses include that the patient is negatively affected by their specific symptoms. Or regarding the specific quote, in the context of going to a normal school, "severely gifted" might be the right word for describing these children. If these children are given something meaningful to do in school instead, then the moniker would not be apt.

> The diagnosis criteria for most mental illnesses include that the patient is negatively affected by their specific symptoms. Even if this were true (which it isn't) the psychiatrist can always argue that the fact that someone else doesn't like the symptoms negatively affects the patient and therefore he is ill. Circular reasoning like this is common practice.

> Even if this were true (which it isn't)

Maybe I was being too general, but the diagnosis criteria I remember from when I've looked at such (including ADHD, Autism spectra disorders, and Depression) have included such qualifiers, IIRC.

Checking ASD, the following is one of the criteria:

    The deficits result in functional limitations in effective communication, 
    social participation, social relationships, academic achievement, 
    or occupational performance, individually or in combination.
While the word "negatively affected" is not specifically used, I would at least argue that the above is morally the same.

Of course the diagnosing psychiatrist could always fudge the facts, but arguing whether or not psychiatrists accurately apply diagnosis criteria is a different matter to arguing that "to avoid one or another mental illness diagnosis, [...] you can't be extraordinary in any way".

Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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Quote: "Reed’s entanglements serve as an apt metaphor for the school life of severely gifted children." Ah, "severely gifted" -- what a meme. What a commentary on the times in which we live. I can imagine psychologists surveying this new frontier with barely concealed joy, in particular now that the DSM is being abandoned. People need to understand that, in modern times, to avoid one or another mental illness diagnos…

I think that idea that people who like to classify and name things are dull and unimaginative is a part of the discussed problem. For example, Russian word for "nerd" is literally "botanist" ("ботаник").

It's more like a "unmanly" interest, I believe :)

Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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Ah yes, the monthly link to an article about intelligent/gifted children and the troubles their talents cause them, leading to all the self-proclaimed gifted HNers coming out of the woodwork declaiming "Me too! Me too! Finally someone who understands me!". Not dismissing the article itself, but it's definitely a pattern on HN.

But my mum had to cut all the tags out of my shirts when I was in school too! Finally someone who feels my pain! :P Edit: She did though, damn things were itchy. Doesn't seem to be a problem since I grew up though. Funny that.

Tags? You aren't smart enough. I hated new clothes themselves.

Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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It can be the other way round. A child may strive to learn things and achieve academic success because he is deprived of normal love and unconsciously believes that when he proves himself smart and successful, people will recognize and love him. I.e. it's not that being gifted leads to suffering; it may be that these kids already suffer and just try harder to survive.

Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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Everything that relates to outlier characteristics will disproportionately affect more boys than girls. The more extreme the outlier the much more likely it will be a boy. This is just basic human biology that like the GP mentioned is routinely deliberately ignored by feminism.

Are you referring to these Bell curves? :P http://www.slideshare.net/terriko/how-does-biology-explain-t...

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Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything that relates to outlier characteristics will disproportionately affect more boys than girls. The more extreme the outlier the much more likely it will be a boy. This is just basic human biology that like the GP mentioned is routinely deliberately ignored by feminism.

Are you referring to these Bell curves? :P http://www.slideshare.net/terriko/how-does-biology-explain-t...

I think the GP is referring to differences in standard deviation, not mean, which causes the larger-deviation population to dominate at both the left and right tails.

Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you referring to these Bell curves? :P http://www.slideshare.net/terriko/how-does-biology-explain-t...

I think the GP is referring to differences in standard deviation, not mean, which causes the larger-deviation population to dominate at both the left and right tails.

Totally correct.

Re: For gifted children, being intelligent can have dark implications (2015)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The diagnosis criteria for most mental illnesses include that the patient is negatively affected by their specific symptoms. Even if this were true (which it isn't) the psychiatrist can always argue that the fact that someone else doesn't like the symptoms negatively affects the patient and therefore he is ill. Circular reasoning like this is common practice.

> Even if this were true (which it isn't) Maybe I was being too general, but the diagnosis criteria I remember from when I've looked at such (including ADHD, Autism spectra disorders, and Depression) have included such qualifiers, IIRC. Checking ASD, the following is one of the criteria: The deficits result in functional limitations in effective communication, social participation, social relationships, academic achi…

> Of course the diagnosing psychiatrist could always fudge the facts

But there is no fudging. Someone not liking something about you that you are totally OK about does negatively impact you if that person is say your spouse.

There is no fudging. This is the usual modus operandi.

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