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Netflix Shuts Down Final Bits of Own Data Center Infrastructure

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Re: Netflix Shuts Down Final Bits of Own Data Center Infrastructure

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Interesting bits about the microsrvices approach. Other companies like Microsoft still need to wake up and understand the value of small teams, microservices deployed in isolation, real devops etc.

They do have Azure Service Fabric however, which does seem incredibly promising.

Re: Netflix Shuts Down Final Bits of Own Data Center Infrastructure

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd be surprised at what a good job the individual pieces of Amazon's empire do at operating as individual units as far as competition is concerned. It would be VERY bad business to "screw" an AWS customer because they competed with some other part of the organization as a whole. Given that Amazon operates in so many spaces and could potentially expand to any space, this behavior would effectively make AWS unappeal…

I'd like to believe this, but then I can't buy an Apple TV through Amazon because of some petty dispute over Prime Video (which I really don't care about). So if Amazon the store can pull products to try to protect prime video, then how can I be sure that other units won't?

OTOH, you can buy Kindle-competing ereaders on the store just fine. Seems to me not even the store unit is consistent in trying to enforce a monopoly.

Re: Netflix Shuts Down Final Bits of Own Data Center Infrastructure

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post #30

Interesting bits about the microsrvices approach. Other companies like Microsoft still need to wake up and understand the value of small teams, microservices deployed in isolation, real devops etc.

check out MS Orleans, it's similar to Erlang. https://github.com/dotnet/orleans

Re: Netflix Shuts Down Final Bits of Own Data Center Infrastructure

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Netflix is in the video distribution business. Their usage is hugely variable over the course of a day. AWS is in the cloud computing business. They are good at selling unused server time. If netflix ran their own datacenters, they would have to pay for infrastructure to sit unused for most of the day to meet their peak demand. With AWS someone else is using and paying for that infrastructure in off hours. The cost-savings for netflix and synergy for AWS make the deal make sense.

Re: Netflix Shuts Down Final Bits of Own Data Center Infrastructure

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Is Netflix at the top end of some curve? My understanding of moving from cloud -> datacenter is, you know, there is some line where it's cheaper to just lease your hardware than pay for cloud infrastructure. At that size you tend to have DBAs, dedicated infrastructure people, etc., to make scaling up go. But now has Netflix come through that line where the cost savings is outweighed by the uptime/availability etc.?

Often the calculations of managing your own hardware is pretty naive. Folks are correct that they can hire a couple of infrastructure folks to build out a single datacentre, but often there datacentres aren't as big nor as resilient as what they'd get from AWS, at least not at the scale where the luck factor starts to fall to statistics.

Re: Netflix Shuts Down Final Bits of Own Data Center Infrastructure

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post #30

Interesting bits about the microsrvices approach. Other companies like Microsoft still need to wake up and understand the value of small teams, microservices deployed in isolation, real devops etc.

check out MS Orleans, it's similar to Erlang. https://github.com/dotnet/orleans

I heard about Orleans but how much is it in use internally at MS? Lot of services are not even on Azure, yet? Ever? It's well known that new fancy modern approaches take years to be understood and absorbed int the company strategy, think Git, Agile, elastic services, REST, mobile... Don't get me wrong I'd love to see MS going back to be an innovator, and Orleans might be an oppotunity. How long has it been cooking, 2 3 years? Where's the disruptive plan to make it the new paradigm?

Re: Netflix Shuts Down Final Bits of Own Data Center Infrastructure

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Is it just me, or is it a massive risk to have your entire infrastructure hosted by a company who is also one of your chief competitors?

I would also feel very uneasy, but I think it is because of my national origin. I truly find these things of American capitalism very admirable. I am sure it will work for them without a problem. Just look at Samsung and Apple: killing each other in court over patents, without affecting their trade of electronic components.

Yeah, the lawyers get to fight with each other for unbounded amounts of money while everyone else tries to get things done.

Re: Netflix Shuts Down Final Bits of Own Data Center Infrastructure

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

check out MS Orleans, it's similar to Erlang. https://github.com/dotnet/orleans

I heard about Orleans but how much is it in use internally at MS? Lot of services are not even on Azure, yet? Ever? It's well known that new fancy modern approaches take years to be understood and absorbed int the company strategy, think Git, Agile, elastic services, REST, mobile... Don't get me wrong I'd love to see MS going back to be an innovator, and Orleans might be an oppotunity. How long has it been cooking, 2…

>I heard about Orleans but how much is it in use internally at MS

They have a small game called Halo which uses it.

Re: Netflix Shuts Down Final Bits of Own Data Center Infrastructure

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd like to believe this, but then I can't buy an Apple TV through Amazon because of some petty dispute over Prime Video (which I really don't care about). So if Amazon the store can pull products to try to protect prime video, then how can I be sure that other units won't?

OTOH, you can buy Kindle-competing ereaders on the store just fine. Seems to me not even the store unit is consistent in trying to enforce a monopoly.

It's a different situation. The Kindle is popular and entrenched, the streaming media products not so much.
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