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Netflix Shuts Down Final Bits of Own Data Center Infrastructure

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Re: Netflix Shuts Down Final Bits of Own Data Center Infrastructure

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Is it just me, or is it a massive risk to have your entire infrastructure hosted by a company who is also one of your chief competitors?

I guess it depends how much vendor lock-in they have with AWS. If they are just using their own virtual machine images that can run on any cloud infrastructure, then they could quickly re-locate to Rackspace or Azure if they needed to.

On the other hand, if they rely on lots of proprietary AWS tools, then that seems like a dangerous place to be.

Re: Netflix Shuts Down Final Bits of Own Data Center Infrastructure

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Great story, brah. Except for the CDN. https://openconnect.netflix.com/peeringLocations/

Wasn't familiar with OpenConnect. It is the program where Netflix puts a caching server in an ISP's datacenter so that the traffic is more "local" and cheaper for all involved.

Re: Netflix Shuts Down Final Bits of Own Data Center Infrastructure

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd be surprised at what a good job the individual pieces of Amazon's empire do at operating as individual units as far as competition is concerned. It would be VERY bad business to "screw" an AWS customer because they competed with some other part of the organization as a whole. Given that Amazon operates in so many spaces and could potentially expand to any space, this behavior would effectively make AWS unappeal…

I'd like to believe this, but then I can't buy an Apple TV through Amazon because of some petty dispute over Prime Video (which I really don't care about). So if Amazon the store can pull products to try to protect prime video, then how can I be sure that other units won't?

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Re: Netflix Shuts Down Final Bits of Own Data Center Infrastructure

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Is Netflix at the top end of some curve? My understanding of moving from cloud -> datacenter is, you know, there is some line where it's cheaper to just lease your hardware than pay for cloud infrastructure. At that size you tend to have DBAs, dedicated infrastructure people, etc., to make scaling up go. But now has Netflix come through that line where the cost savings is outweighed by the uptime/availability etc.?

Netflix has hugely 'spikey' load across the globe, AWS is perfect for that use case.

They need to spike for prime time and then don't really need much infrastructure.

Re: Netflix Shuts Down Final Bits of Own Data Center Infrastructure

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Great story, brah. Except for the CDN. https://openconnect.netflix.com/peeringLocations/

Wasn't familiar with OpenConnect. It is the program where Netflix puts a caching server in an ISP's datacenter so that the traffic is more "local" and cheaper for all involved.

OpenConnect is the CDN that serves the actual Netflix video, it's Based on FreeBSD 10 and Nginx. Netflix puts them in ISP's and internet peering locations across the internet.

Re: Netflix Shuts Down Final Bits of Own Data Center Infrastructure

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

false. http://www.business-management-degree.net/features/amazon-vs...

That infographic isn't very clear. It's hard to separate the impact of Prime Video from Prime and from normal Amazon operations. How many people buy Amazon Prime for the video streaming? What percentage of the $800M Prime revenue is attributable to the video service? I'd wager less than 10%. Does Netflix spend more than $80M a year on AWS? The numbers needed to answer the question aren't publicly available. It's a bu…

Considering the bills I've seen for AWS at even modestly-sized companies, I would not be surprised if Netflix spends more than $80M a year on AWS. In fact, considering the amount of bandwidth they use, I'd be surprised if they didn't.

They spent $1.3B on "General/Administrative Expenses" last year - think more than 6% of that was infrastructure?

Re: Netflix Shuts Down Final Bits of Own Data Center Infrastructure

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Is Netflix at the top end of some curve? My understanding of moving from cloud -> datacenter is, you know, there is some line where it's cheaper to just lease your hardware than pay for cloud infrastructure. At that size you tend to have DBAs, dedicated infrastructure people, etc., to make scaling up go. But now has Netflix come through that line where the cost savings is outweighed by the uptime/availability etc.?

Netflix tried operating their own DCs, and weren't good enough at it. Hence the move to the cloud.

They do have discounted pricing, and they get the agility to add a new region overnite.

Re: Netflix Shuts Down Final Bits of Own Data Center Infrastructure

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Is it just me, or is it a massive risk to have your entire infrastructure hosted by a company who is also one of your chief competitors?

What about Heroku, then? They are on AWS, and compete with AWS.

AWS and Heroku aren't really competitors. Firstly, since AWS is IaaS, whereas Heroku is PaaS, they target different users. More importantly, Heroku is built on top of AWS, so Amazon gets paid for all the resources used by Heroku apps.
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