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Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Post by mpweiher »

serge2k wrote: post #233
mpweiher wrote: post #209

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> that males generally dont marry up Huh? It's females that generally insist on marrying up, ergo insist on not marrying down. Males are much less picky in this regard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergamy Or just go to any dating site that allows visible income preferences.

If (straight) females aren't marrying down then (straight) males aren't going marry up.

I am aware of the symmetry of the final action. I was commenting on who enforces that outcome. Note 'insist on' and 'less picky'.

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Post by andromeduck »

kevincrane wrote: post #218
MicroBerto wrote: post #190

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Of course you'll find some males that "marry up", but the data proves what many of us have known forever - as a man, you should strive to be elite in something , preferably something useful and sexually attractive. Otherwise you're just another brick in the wall. Where this is all going to blow up in society is the fact that women are now better-educated, and will soon make more money than their male counterparts, wh…

> A country needs strong, highly-engaged men who act as leaders. America is losing that more each and every day, and it saddens me. Literally every president in US history has been a man, 80.6% of Congress are men, 95.5% of Fortune 500 CEOs are men, and you're sad that it's getting marginally harder for men and that the country is lacking in strong male leaders?

I don't really agree with the sentiment but your example is also pretty poor rebuttal because those are some of the laggiest indicators.

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Post by Grishnakh »

sean2 wrote: post #215
Grishnakh wrote: post #146

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I can't speak for him but I'm a bit over 40 and single again, and looking. What I'm seeing in the DC metro area is a ton of single women in my age range who are single and never married, and all of a sudden now they want to get married and have kids. (Some of them want kids, some don't.) So not "pushing 30", but "pushing 40". Other data I've seen shows that there's a big surplus of single women in both the NYC and DC…

Ha, same area here, but exploring the pushing 35 range. From what I've seen, I don't think they actually expect to meet George Clooney. After living with their independence and high paying job, 100% of which they can spend on them-self, usually enabling tons of international travel. They don't actually want to settle down and put work into a relationship, but their friends and family constantly pester them to do so.…

I'm not sure about all that, but I will vouch for the tons of international travel bit. In fact, it's so bad I feel like a lot of these women are woefully ignorant about anything in the US that's outside of a few major cities, because they never go anywhere outside their city; any time they have a little vacation time they're flying to Argentina or Africa or something.

I disagree about them not wanting to actually be in a relationship, but I think what's happened is that they're so used to being single and free, and never having been in a serious relationship for that long, that they really have no idea how to do it, and it's probably a lost cause. They're now realizing they have to get started right now if they want to have natural kids, but they're not prepared to make the sacrifices you have to make in order to be in that kind of relationship.

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Post by andromeduck »

galfarragem wrote: post #220
balls187 wrote: post #141

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> Males generally dont marry up? My wife has a PhD, and is a Senior Data Scientist (why not Chief, who knows), and belongs to a noble Swedish/Finnish family. I am P.O.C. trash, from a (mostly) poor town in S Tacoma, WA. I hit the jackpot. > Unfortunately, their standards have really gone up since receiving said education. I'm not saying this to bash, it's simply my observation. I suspect that part of it has to do wit…

In marriage intelligence is more important than status . Men normally don't want to marry a smarter woman then them and the opposite on women. 1600 karma gives you some relationship potential and places you above trash..

I'm not sure that's true, most of my close male friends prefer smart women but generally not in the same exact area as them.

I personally think having slightly divergent competencies is more stable than closwrr matches since it'd be less competitive or directly comparable.

Learning is also fun, and it can drive some pretty cool conversations.

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Post by charlesdm »

sotojuan wrote: post #158
Grishnakh wrote: post #146

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I can't speak for him but I'm a bit over 40 and single again, and looking. What I'm seeing in the DC metro area is a ton of single women in my age range who are single and never married, and all of a sudden now they want to get married and have kids. (Some of them want kids, some don't.) So not "pushing 30", but "pushing 40". Other data I've seen shows that there's a big surplus of single women in both the NYC and DC…

Might be related to how inflated the praise for higher degrees is. I mean, I know a JD or medical degree is no small feat, but it doesn't mean you're suddenly only good enough for the best of the best or are in some privileged genius tier (that goes for men and women).

Sadly, there are plenty of people in the world who are great at memorising but are actually horrible at applying their knowledge. While such degrees can be impressive achievements, it says very little about a person. I've met brilliant high school graduates and plain stupid people with phds. A lot of it depends on the person.

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Post by whitegrape »

auntyJemima wrote: post #74
peter303 wrote: post #22

Business Insider has run several articles of the urban college female "problem". With 30% more females obtaining college degrees currently than males plus that males generally dont marry up, there is a surplus of 20-something college females in all metropolitan areas except San Francisco and Washington DC. Good news for guys then. One silly article tried explain the success of hookup apps is that more desperate femal…

Males generally dont marry up? Couple things come to mind. Throughout my time, I've seen that women have their fair share of not wanting to marry down either. You want to say generalizations generalizations. Sure, but I think the age old stereotypes do have a hint of truth to them and the Bloomberg page here also states, "High-earning women (doctors, lawyers) tend to pair up with their economic equals, while middle-…

If you're a man trying to marry up, you're facing extra challenges if the woman values her family's opinions at all. Not too long ago in pretty much all the civilized world the Father controlled who his daughters wed, you had to impress him even more so than the woman.

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Post by hanniabu »

balls187 wrote: post #145
NTDF9 wrote: post #144

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True. Unfortunately, I can't remain humble when my date starts a brag-fest like high school kids. Humility is sometimes taken as cowardice or shyness.

My rule: unless it was TERRIBLE, I always try for a 2nd date. Too much variability in a first date to draw meaningful conclusions.

Truth....was she nervous, was she not into where was picked for the date, did you not get her humor yet, did she not get yours, etc

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

ssalazar wrote: post #207
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #198

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" Does marrying someone with less education mean “marrying down” economically? Not necessarily. When we look at the newlywed women who married someone with less education, we find that a majority of these women actually “married up.” In 2012, only 39% of newlywed women who married a spouse with less education out-earned their husband, and a majority of them (58%) made less than their husband. "

Not really that surprising. Irrespective of gender, a terminal degree rarely leads to increase job earnings except for MD, JD, MBA, and similar.

Right, my interpretation of other comments about education, was that women were marrying down based on education level. But economically this isn't true. They still marry up.

I'd be surprised if degree level was a major factor by itself. E.g. If the woman has a masters but the man has only a bachelors, she would discount the man as a potential mate. He may still be socioeconomically on par or better.

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