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SoundCloud could be forced to close after $44m losses

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Re: SoundCloud could be forced to close after $44m losses

#41
While SoundCloud brought in €17.35m ($15.37m) in 2014, it lost a total of €39.14m ($44.19m). Employee wages during that period also increased 42.5% to €17.9m, meaning that the average wage per employee for that year totalled €79,980

Seems like a pretty generous wage increase for a company in the red.

Re: SoundCloud could be forced to close after $44m losses

#44

Article is bs. they lost 44m in _2014_. Raised 77m last year. They may need to raise more in 2016. Nothing else. No other facts. No info on their balance sheet, etc. Doesn't even know if they're growing, what their revenue or losses for 2015 were. And based on that, Fact thinks that's enough to say they "may be forced to close".

Agree. The article could just as well be written about any other successful high-growth company. Continued survival will require further capital investment...no sh@*t! Obviously the author is just trolling for views. If SC announces another round, and then turns a profit in 3 years, someone will write another article about their "amazing turnaround".

Just like how we're now writing about Twitter's 'amazing turnaround' after only 10 years of losing money. Oh, wait...

Re: SoundCloud could be forced to close after $44m losses

#45

Article is bs. they lost 44m in _2014_. Raised 77m last year. They may need to raise more in 2016. Nothing else. No other facts. No info on their balance sheet, etc. Doesn't even know if they're growing, what their revenue or losses for 2015 were. And based on that, Fact thinks that's enough to say they "may be forced to close".

The problem is that now investors are asking themselves more frequently, after a few years of sight-unseen venture investing, if it really makes sense for them to keep funneling money into companies that might never turn a profit, let alone have a profitable exit at the horizon. The talk around here (let me say that again: "the talk") is that investors are getting tighter and tighter and money is not so easy to get anymore. If you follow the startup scene here you can certainly spot some worrying indicators that confirm that sentiment. Add to the mix that the traditionally conservative German/European investor is reading the same news we're all reading about the imminent burst of the Silicon Valley hyper-valuation bubble.

Re: SoundCloud could be forced to close after $44m losses

#46

Article is bs. they lost 44m in _2014_. Raised 77m last year. They may need to raise more in 2016. Nothing else. No other facts. No info on their balance sheet, etc. Doesn't even know if they're growing, what their revenue or losses for 2015 were. And based on that, Fact thinks that's enough to say they "may be forced to close".

The problem is that now investors are asking themselves more frequently, after a few years of sight-unseen venture investing, if it really makes sense for them to keep funneling money into companies that might never turn a profit, let alone have a profitable exit at the horizon. The talk around here (let me say that again: "the talk") is that investors are getting tighter and tighter and money is not so easy to get a…

Where is the evidence that Soundcloud is or will have trouble raising money? Pandora just raised $300m in December. Deezer (france) raised €100m less than 2 weeks ago. And Spotify is looking for $500m (just 8 months after raising ~$500m) right now.

Re: SoundCloud could be forced to close after $44m losses

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems it has reached a peak, or at least has not been really growing in 2015, if you check worldwide https://www.google.com/trends/explore#geo&q=soundcloud

Weird how Pakistan seems to be Soundcloud central! I suspect that the advertising sales team at Soundcloud only care about the Western markets, hence I posted the US 'trend'.

Soundcloud may have good reasons for that...

Anecdotally I see 10x conversion rates in western countries, despite having higher active user counts outside of there.

Re: SoundCloud could be forced to close after $44m losses

#48
post #41

While SoundCloud brought in €17.35m ($15.37m) in 2014, it lost a total of €39.14m ($44.19m). Employee wages during that period also increased 42.5% to €17.9m, meaning that the average wage per employee for that year totalled €79,980 Seems like a pretty generous wage increase for a company in the red.

Especially given that good talent here in Berlin is much much cheaper. 80k/year scores you some superstar devs, while that's probably the peanuts some out-of-school pre-puberal intern would earn at a Valley startup.

What's really expensive here is management people and the way German hire the mid-level management is broken most of the time. I don't know if it's a German thing or a global corporate thing, but I've personally witnessed some pretty interesting hiring horror stories.

Re: SoundCloud could be forced to close after $44m losses

#50

What do 200 people do in such a company? (serious question, I just wonder how the workforce is usually distributed for a single online product of that size)

The way a startup can become a bloated corporation-like structure here in Europe is a surprisingly fast process.
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