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Is Donald Trump a fascist? A historian of fascism weighs in

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Re: Is Donald Trump a fascist? A historian of fascism weighs in

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Post by empressplay »

drewrv wrote: post #9
notliketherest wrote: post #6

The things Donald Trump says (such as "stop Mexicans from coming into our country illegally" or "ban Muslims from immigrating to our country until we're confident in our terrorist screening process") offend a LOT of people. People who don't believe such things should be said, or even talked about. People who, when someone says these things, viciously attack them, saying they are morally wrong for thinking those thing…

This is just the Tolerance Paradox. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance Except not really. There's no movement on the left to outlaw what trump is saying. Pointing out something is racist on twitter is not "squashing dissent".

Erm, people have been trying to get him tossed off Twitter [1] and banned from entering various countries [2] and apparently some of his most vocal supporters have had their Twitter accounts mysteriously locked-out [3]

[1] http://tech.slashdot.org/story/16/01/30/1847207/why-does-twi... [2] http://thevine.com.au/politics/australians-want-ban-donald-t... [3] http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/02/08/twitters-attempt-to...

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Post by vixen99 »

empath75 wrote: post #3

He says that he thinks trump never read a book on Hitler, but he at least owned a book of his speeches, according to his ex wife.

Everyone should read Mein Kampf, a book which set out Hitler's world view and one which as we know had dreadful consequences affecting every person on this planet.

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Post by joesmo »

Aren't racist, sexist, and xenophobic enough?

Because I'm sure I can think of plenty more adjectives that I can apply objectively. I disagree with the article that 'fascist' is one of the worst things to be in today's world and those three things above (as well as the rest that could've gone there) are much worse.

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Post by dang »

vixen99 wrote: post #22
empath75 wrote: post #3

He says that he thinks trump never read a book on Hitler, but he at least owned a book of his speeches, according to his ex wife.

Everyone should read Mein Kampf, a book which set out Hitler's world view and one which as we know had dreadful consequences affecting every person on this planet.

This recent interview with a scholar of Mein Kampf is one of the best things I've heard on NPR in years. Fascinating from start to finish, way more than I expected.

http://www.npr.org/2016/01/14/463028807/the-failed-coup-that...

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Post by joesmo »

notliketherest wrote: post #6

The things Donald Trump says (such as "stop Mexicans from coming into our country illegally" or "ban Muslims from immigrating to our country until we're confident in our terrorist screening process") offend a LOT of people. People who don't believe such things should be said, or even talked about. People who, when someone says these things, viciously attack them, saying they are morally wrong for thinking those thing…

TIL: Racism trumps fascism (pun well fucking intended).

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Post by venomsnake »

hnhg wrote: post #10
wmil wrote: post #2

There's a famous joke that "fascist" in politics just means "I don't like you" It's just an ill-defined insult at this point. George Orwell had interesting things to say. http://orwell.ru/library/articles/As_I_Please/english/efasc

I've seen more than a handful of presumably right-wing commentators on Reddit of late arguing that the Nazis were actually socialists or 'communists' rather than a right-wing group. The ensuing (typically unresolved) argument comes down to how fascism is defined for each person. Fascism is clearly in the eye of the beholder.

Nazi is national socialism. Fascism was in Italy and Spain.

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Post by codesushi42 »

jakeogh wrote: post #5

Setting aside Mr. Trump... "The trends are not downward unless you were offended by the presence of a black man in the White House."[3] Except we are still expected to live in a 'post-911'[1] state[2] of fear. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQu_mYI3Vxs [2] https://cryptome.org/2015/09/potus-15-0911.pdf [3] Wow. Talk about painting the people you disagree with.

Agreed. Populist candidates like Trump and Sanders have as much clout as they do exactly because the country is in decline. And the public is tired of the elitist run media telling them otherwise.

The harder the media pushes their delusional reality, the harder the public pushes back, and the stronger Trump becomes.

Not that I hope for such a thing. But it's entertaining to see the media's propaganda continue to backfire on them. And they act totally oblivious as to why.

Re: Is Donald Trump a fascist? A historian of fascism weighs in

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Post by djmdjm »

empressplay wrote: post #21
drewrv wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just the Tolerance Paradox. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance Except not really. There's no movement on the left to outlaw what trump is saying. Pointing out something is racist on twitter is not "squashing dissent".

Erm, people have been trying to get him tossed off Twitter [1] and banned from entering various countries [2] and apparently some of his most vocal supporters have had their Twitter accounts mysteriously locked-out [3] [1] http://tech.slashdot.org/story/16/01/30/1847207/why-does-twi... [2] http://thevine.com.au/politics/australians-want-ban-donald-t... [3] http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/02/08/twitters-attempt-to.…

I know the left is famous for its disorganisation but a single person quoted on Slashdot and some disgruntled Australians hardly demonstrates a movement to silence Trump.

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Post by jacquesm »

onion2k wrote: post #12
empath75 wrote: post #3

He says that he thinks trump never read a book on Hitler, but he at least owned a book of his speeches, according to his ex wife.

Owning a book and reading it are two different things. We all own books we've never read.

Why on earth would you own a book you've never read?
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