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You can train your body into thinking it’s had medicine

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Re: You can train your body into thinking it’s had medicine

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I used to be able to create a variety of physiological effects by focusing on them long enough. Especially in terms of heart rate, temperature, or even a mental high. Been out of practice for a long time. I will say that two I really wanted to do nearly on demand were equivalents to caffeine and good sleep. To this day, I can't eliminate the need for or problems following lack of either. ;)

> out of practice

What's practice for that like?

Re: You can train your body into thinking it’s had medicine

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Anyone who is interested in mind over matter should check out Dr. Sarno's work - http://www.amazon.com/The-Mindbody-Prescription-Healing-Body... Similar to the vomiting poster, I had/have a longtime chronic nerve pain issue in my arms and legs that this book was tremendously helpful in managing. While fixing bad posture and a variety of other things helped, this book helped me get to the point where most days I'm in…

Did you read any of Dr. Sarno's other two books? I'm wondering how they compare.

http://www.amazon.com/Healing-Back-Pain-Mind-Body-Connection...

http://www.amazon.com/The-Divided-Mind-Epidemic-Disorders/dp...

Besides challenging the mind over matter, this work also challenges the idea of what to believe and pursue when scientific evidence is relatively lacking.

Re: You can train your body into thinking it’s had medicine

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post #11

I used to be able to create a variety of physiological effects by focusing on them long enough. Especially in terms of heart rate, temperature, or even a mental high. Been out of practice for a long time. I will say that two I really wanted to do nearly on demand were equivalents to caffeine and good sleep. To this day, I can't eliminate the need for or problems following lack of either. ;)

> out of practice What's practice for that like?

As someone who used to be able to do things like that: meditation.

Tricking your sense of body position is the most fun and weird thing you can do.

Re: You can train your body into thinking it’s had medicine

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post #8

Anyone who is interested in mind over matter should check out Dr. Sarno's work - http://www.amazon.com/The-Mindbody-Prescription-Healing-Body... Similar to the vomiting poster, I had/have a longtime chronic nerve pain issue in my arms and legs that this book was tremendously helpful in managing. While fixing bad posture and a variety of other things helped, this book helped me get to the point where most days I'm in…

I highly recommend Sarno's work as well. I had severe tendinitis in my wrists for about 4 years. I was only able to work about 3 hours a day and was getting pretty desperate, so I decided to give what I thought was Sarno's "crackpot theory" a try. 4 weeks later my tendinitis was completely gone.

Re: You can train your body into thinking it’s had medicine

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post #11

I used to be able to create a variety of physiological effects by focusing on them long enough. Especially in terms of heart rate, temperature, or even a mental high. Been out of practice for a long time. I will say that two I really wanted to do nearly on demand were equivalents to caffeine and good sleep. To this day, I can't eliminate the need for or problems following lack of either. ;)

> out of practice What's practice for that like?

Yoga/meditation I assume?

Re: You can train your body into thinking it’s had medicine

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post #11

I used to be able to create a variety of physiological effects by focusing on them long enough. Especially in terms of heart rate, temperature, or even a mental high. Been out of practice for a long time. I will say that two I really wanted to do nearly on demand were equivalents to caffeine and good sleep. To this day, I can't eliminate the need for or problems following lack of either. ;)

> out of practice What's practice for that like?

Meditation is vague word. There's guides for how to do this online and in books. I tried a bunch until some worked. Basic thing was just letting go of most thoughts, focusing on one thing, intending it to happen, and letting it happen without forcing it. You need feedback like a monitor showing you numbers and paying attention to feel of your own body. Eventually, some part of brain delivers. It delivers better over time.

Best I can describe. The breathing tricks were most valuable as breathing and mental state are so interconnected. Comes in handy for calming down or pumping up. Also helpful in forms of meditation.

Re: You can train your body into thinking it’s had medicine

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Wim Hoff [1] is a great example of someone who can turn a lot of the knobs on his metabolism that aren't available to most of us. Apparently, he says it's something you can learn to do. If these researchers got more concrete about how patients can learn to do this and to get physiologically measurable effects, it would actually certainly lower health care costs. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wim_Hof

Interesting. There has been at least one study about him and his techniques: Healthy volunteers practicing the learned techniques exhibited profound increases in the release of epinephrine, which in turn led to increased production of anti-inflammatory mediators and subsequent dampening of the proinflammatory cytokine response elicited by intravenous administration of bacterial endotoxin. This study could have import…

It was a bit discussed here two week ago:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10964515 in [“Power pose” research is the latest example of scientific overreach](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10961131)

> Thanks HN for making a graduated psychology student more critical. When I was studying psychology at uni I had no help from peers in being critical with regards to psychology. It's a lot harder being critical when no one really challenges your thoughts on the subject.

> Now on to a method that does invoke "neuroendocrine and behavioral changes". The Wim Hof Method, it takes about 10 minutes to do to feel a strong effect IMO. Don't want to hijack the topic but I thought it was a fitting counter example :)

> The results are also not barely statistical significant, it's more like 5 deviations away from the norm with regards to their main RQ.

> Paper is here: http://www.pnas.org/content/111/20/7379.full

> Claims about behavioral changes are mine (and I'm just a guy on the web who takes cold showers every day), the research team focused on immune response. But as you can see in their charts about the adrenaline boost one gets, behavioral change occurs in my experience at least.

Re: You can train your body into thinking it’s had medicine

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My bullshit detectors are leaping off the charts.

There are so many completely uncontrolled experiments described there, and the article just jumps to the conclusion that they demonstrate an effect. Add on top that the theory makes not a fleck of sense, and you have no credibility left.

Re: You can train your body into thinking it’s had medicine

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I used to be able to create a variety of physiological effects by focusing on them long enough. Especially in terms of heart rate, temperature, or even a mental high. Been out of practice for a long time. I will say that two I really wanted to do nearly on demand were equivalents to caffeine and good sleep. To this day, I can't eliminate the need for or problems following lack of either. ;)

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Re: You can train your body into thinking it’s had medicine

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So I'm not sure if this article is a hunk of lies or true, but when I want to induce the placebo effect, I just google some random ingredient in the beverage I'm drinking with "{ingredient} Cures Virus".For example "Manganese Cures Virus". You're inevitably going to find someone who says yeah it's pretty effective, and I just kinda say sure why not, I believe it. This way you know it's not expensive I mean you were already drinking it, but now that you KNOW it's there helping you it helps. You're like I'm going to feel better I've got "INGREDIENT" on my side! Additionally because it was a drink you'll probably drink some more fluids.
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