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Re: Meatier – A Meteor alternative

#21

JavaScript people have programming ADHD. "This system works fine, but we've been using it for too long, let's just rewrite it with the latest greatest" "Angular, let's rewrite that from scratch" Imagine is Microsoft released a totally new version of C# every year, and stops supporting it.

> I'm so totally impressed at this Way New Development Paradigm. Let's call it the "Cascade of Attention-Deficit Teenagers" model, or "CADT" for short.

https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html (2003)

Re: Meatier – A Meteor alternative

#23

JavaScript people have programming ADHD. "This system works fine, but we've been using it for too long, let's just rewrite it with the latest greatest" "Angular, let's rewrite that from scratch" Imagine is Microsoft released a totally new version of C# every year, and stops supporting it.

your analogy doesn't make sense... Javascript people don't rewrite a "totally new version of Javascript every year", they create/rewrite framework/lib like in every language ecosystem. The fact that there's A LOT of this happening is just the consequence of the language popularity.

Re: Meatier – A Meteor alternative

#24

JavaScript people have programming ADHD. "This system works fine, but we've been using it for too long, let's just rewrite it with the latest greatest" "Angular, let's rewrite that from scratch" Imagine is Microsoft released a totally new version of C# every year, and stops supporting it.

> JavaScript people have programming ADHD.

Why do you feel the need to categorize people based on the programming language that they used to write some code? I prefer "JavaScript people" to needlessly condescending people any day of the week.

> "This system works fine, but we've been using it for too long, let's just rewrite it with the latest greatest"

This is an uncharitable, unhelpful and totally unnecessary dismissal of this project. The author clearly explains the reasoning behind this project and even charts out each individual distinction. This isn't new for new's sake; features like CSS Modules and code splitting are real features that have real productivity impacts. Perhaps you don't think these features are useful or maybe you prefer a different technique for solving these problems, but either way nobody is forcing you to use it.

> Imagine is Microsoft released a totally new version of C# every year, and stops supporting it.

Except this is a completely inapt analogy. This is one individual who put together a package to solve their own problems and open sourced the code FOR FREE. If the endless supply of JavaScript tooling is a problem for you, that's your problem, you're not obligated to use or even evaluate every project that hits the front page of HN and if you're not a JavaScript programmer then I don't see why you even care.

Quit bitching about people building things you don't like.

Re: Meatier – A Meteor alternative

#25

JavaScript people have programming ADHD. "This system works fine, but we've been using it for too long, let's just rewrite it with the latest greatest" "Angular, let's rewrite that from scratch" Imagine is Microsoft released a totally new version of C# every year, and stops supporting it.

> "This system works fine, but we've been using it for too long, let's just rewrite it with the latest greatest"

You realise this is the opposite of that? Common, popular, existing tools, working together out of the box, replacing something that's generally regarded as weird and custom by the general JS community?

Re: Meatier – A Meteor alternative

#26
Wow, there's a ton of jerks here dissing the variety of javascript frameworks here.

Look, the web is a fast evolving platform. Similarly, the best way to understand the tradeoffs a framework makes is write your own own! You probably shouldn't use it in production, but it's a good exercise. And writingcode is so easy to do (just code for awhile!) that we're getting a proliferation of it. This is a good thing!

I just wrote a carousel widget in jquery. Yeah, I know there are 10million carousel widgets I could have downloaded, but I wanted to understand it better so I made it on my own. (And yeah, I know carousels suck, tell my company's marketers that.)

We don't hear complaints when people try building new game engines from scratch. Granted, maybe those aren't posted on HN often?

@minionslave, @untog, @sergiotapia, looking at you guys.

// edit: And looking at the github page, this isn't really a new framework anyway? It's like... the web-dev equivalent of a review paper. He looked at meteor's stack, and swapped a lot of the component pieces. And that's cool and informative.

Re: Meatier – A Meteor alternative

#27

Wow, there's a ton of jerks here dissing the variety of javascript frameworks here. Look, the web is a fast evolving platform. Similarly, the best way to understand the tradeoffs a framework makes is write your own own! You probably shouldn't use it in production, but it's a good exercise. And writingcode is so easy to do (just code for awhile!) that we're getting a proliferation of it. This is a good thing! I just w…

Why directly mention people you disagree with? Will that accomplish something?

Re: Meatier – A Meteor alternative

#28
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Looks like what Meteor team are planning to do... Very interesting as a complete web app starter kit

True! Seems pretty much the direction meteor is taking & is an interesting web app starter kit :)

Except Meteor will not be using Webpack

Re: Meatier – A Meteor alternative

#29

Is this a parody? It must be right? "Meteor is awesome! But after 3 years, it's starting to show it's age." Edit: Reading more into it, this is just a starter kit and not a replacement for Meteor. You lose everything that made Meteor insanely popular, for what exactly? RethinkDB?

"You lose everything that made Meteor insanely popular, for what exactly? RethinkDB?"

- RethinkDB - React - GraphQL - Redux - Webpack - Node 5

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