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A Group of American Teens Are Excelling at Advanced Math

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Re: A Group of American Teens Are Excelling at Advanced Math

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>It's little things, like going through how the quadratic formula is derived instead of just telling someone to learn it by rote. Explaining differentiation with a bit of the logic behind it instead of just teaching rules. Once you get in the mindset of deriving equations, rote memorization becomes insanely difficult, at least in my opinion. During my last year as an undergrad majoring in physics I got a 4.0 in quant…

10 - 1 = 9 9 * 7 = (10 - 1) * 7 = 70 - 7 = 63 I often do little calculations like this when I forget multiplication table entries.

As do I, but the pressure of the situation didn't help, especially when the natural assumption of the professor/rest of the class was that I didn't understand the much more "complicated" aspect of the proof and not something most people take for granted as just "known" from elementary school.

Re: A Group of American Teens Are Excelling at Advanced Math

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The sad thing is that the cool stuff isn't even always complex. It's little things, like going through how the quadratic formula is derived instead of just telling someone to learn it by rote. Explaining differentiation with a bit of the logic behind it instead of just teaching rules. But at the same time - I know I'd have/did enjoy that stuff but maybe 60% of my classes would have played up if a whole lesson was spe…

>It's little things, like going through how the quadratic formula is derived instead of just telling someone to learn it by rote. Explaining differentiation with a bit of the logic behind it instead of just teaching rules. Once you get in the mindset of deriving equations, rote memorization becomes insanely difficult, at least in my opinion. During my last year as an undergrad majoring in physics I got a 4.0 in quant…

You can also use your 10 fingers to instantly multiply by 9s.

Spread out your fingers. Number them from 1 to 10, left to right (i.e. left-hand little finger = 1).

For 9 * 7, simply curl finger 7 downwards.

Now you have 6 fingers on the left, and 3 fingers on the right. Voila, 63. :-)

Re: A Group of American Teens Are Excelling at Advanced Math

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The difference between "good schools" and "bad schools" is much more about the kids that go there than anything about the school itself. You're seeing this starkly in D.C. where gentrification in certain neighborhoods is shifting the student demographics from 90% low-income to 20% low-income over just 4-5 years. Test scores are shooting up, but it's not like they fired all the teachers and hired new staff at twice th…

Exactly this, as schools in SF have begun to experience re-gentrification, back from empty nesters and influx of poor immigrants, the new gentrification has anecdotally resulted in improving schools at the elementary school level, and as they grow (and if their patents remain in the city) middle and high would likely improve too. One of the stark differences between improving and flagging schools is parent involvemen…

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Re: A Group of American Teens Are Excelling at Advanced Math

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Aren't schools financed by local property taxes in US. And the rich parents pay more in taxes and there is more resources in the system. Also well off parents could help school in other ways.

In most states education funding is local. California (and probably others) redistributes across the state.

In California, districts supplement state funding with local bond measures.

http://www.bondbuyer.com/news/regionalnews/california-school...

Re: A Group of American Teens Are Excelling at Advanced Math

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I think that excellence in math is actually in everyone's reach. The main questions are why and how to reach it. :)

The article surveys the field of enrichment programs and activities, many of which are available only to people in certain areas. I've witnessed the immense local impact of those outreach efforts, while visiting Math Circles, high schools, and academic competitions around the country. The people who lead those events (mostly after-hours or on weekends) are an incredible bunch, and many of them do it out of their passion for the subject.

However, I think we would all gain if we could engage everyone in math/science, no matter where they live. The success of these programs shows that interesting content increases interest! The Internet allows us to level the playing field, and scale the impact of free educational resources to the world.

I was once at a math education conference where groups were pitching ways to develop math talent. These programs sometimes need financial sponsorship from governments or foundations, so that they can remain accessible across socioeconomic lines. On the second morning of the conference, I suddenly thought: how much money does our public school system spend trying to teach soccer each year? (I don't think it's much.) It seems that many students achieve fairly high levels of proficiency regardless.

Of course, there is still much value in funding the current math education efforts, but that made me think about whether significant gains could come from finding out how to communicate educational content in the most engaging way. That would take a page from the startup playbook (optimizing for engagement).

So, I got my hands dirty. I launched a startup (expii.com) to crowdsource and rate free interactive lessons in math and science, to quantitatively evaluate an organized collection of these resources, distributed at scale across the world. The objective is to turn every smartphone into a pocket tutor, delivering the most engaging lessons produced by the combined creativity of the world.

That's a big project. In the meantime, while the content is crowdsourcing, I also am broadcasting interesting nuggets of math each week at expii.com/solve (again free). These deliver the same topics I talk about in person at middle- and high-school math enrichment events around the country when I visit them to give guest talks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sxVgJ_wPaM&feature=youtu.be...

My thought process is that if I'm taking the time to develop the materials to deliver to only 200 people at a time, then we should harness the Internet to scale the distribution to the world, while also packaging the content in a fun way, to show to the mass audience why math is actually a very interesting subject. :)

Ultimately, I think that the global project to build interest and excellence in math is an enormous task, which needs the insight and hard work of a great multitude of people, and a diversity of ideas and approaches. Thanks to everyone who is pitching in on this mission! :)

Re: A Group of American Teens Are Excelling at Advanced Math

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I was frustrated by this article because I find it taking for granted the idea that math is only accessible to a small group of people - 'talented, gifted, with an affinity for, confluence of specific abilities'. I find similar language around programs like the Russian School, Brilliant and quite obviously the 'gifted' programs. Yet in this article they quote the following statistics: - High achievement in math: US 9…

"What would a group of people that cater primarily to the best-served students in the system have to say about how to help the worst-served? What would they know about the obstacles faced by poor children and parents; overworked, undertrained and unsupported teachers; and underfunded schools?" Hopefully they wouldn't get caught up in all that and just teach some math to whoever's interested, regardless of income leve…

> teach some math to whoever's interested

But in public school you have to teach math to everyone. Any they aren't all interested.

Re: A Group of American Teens Are Excelling at Advanced Math

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>what 9 times 7 was Is there a reason you didn't whip out a calculator and do it there? Although I must say that I remember everything till 20x20 :P

I was standing at the blackboard in front of the class. I've always been flaky on multiplication tables for some reason, and doing arithmetic in my head isn't my strongest suit. That said I excelled in math throughout high school and college. It just goes to show that elementary math really has no bearing on the type of mindset one may have for "more complex", logic based math and computation. Trust me -- since that…

Once in a graduate abstract algebra class (without being prompted) I interrupted the professor's lecture to remark that he had skipped the prime "15" in a list of primes he wrote on the board.

Re: A Group of American Teens Are Excelling at Advanced Math

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"Nearly everyone in the accelerated-math community says that the push to cultivate sophisticated math minds needs to start early and encompass plenty of thoughtful, conceptual learning experiences in elementary and middle school."

What hope do I have to study advanced math when I've begun to teach myself in my mid 20's?

Re: A Group of American Teens Are Excelling at Advanced Math

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"Nearly everyone in the accelerated-math community says that the push to cultivate sophisticated math minds needs to start early and encompass plenty of thoughtful, conceptual learning experiences in elementary and middle school." What hope do I have to study advanced math when I've begun to teach myself in my mid 20's?

A lot of hope. Your brain is still incredibly capable of uptaking new skills at a high rate in your mid 20s.

Your brain starts to slow down around 25-30 years of age or so, based on the major studies I've read. Eg:

http://time.com/63500/brain-aging-at-24/

Per that, the drop between 25 and 40, is only around 15%.

Becoming better at learning, and wiser in how you spend your time, can offset some of the cognitive decline that comes with age versus the raw capability of youth that is perhaps more squandered due to lack of wisdom.

Re: A Group of American Teens Are Excelling at Advanced Math

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"Nearly everyone in the accelerated-math community says that the push to cultivate sophisticated math minds needs to start early and encompass plenty of thoughtful, conceptual learning experiences in elementary and middle school." What hope do I have to study advanced math when I've begun to teach myself in my mid 20's?

You'd benefit from a title "How We Learn". Contrary to pop culture portrayal, skills acquisition is more about short bursts of frequent repetition than sitting down quietly with a textbook for three hours.

Learn something quickly, repeat it at certain intervals, test yourself frequently, and your brain will develop a "muscle memory", a toolkit of handy learned concepts.

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