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Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by wINfo »

lhl wrote: post #489
hackercomplex wrote: post #326

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Why compare it to windows ? Compare it to Ubuntu or Chrome OS. You have Aptana, textmate, emacs, and web based IDEs. Ubuntu's "one button search" works better, it's called /usr/bin/locate. If you're buying hardware devices that linux can't support well then you're doing it wrong. Support open standards and eschew manfacturers that don't support open source.

Sorry, locate is not even comparable to what Spotlight does. Do a search for mdfind(1) to get an idea of what is does. Recoll is the only thing I found on Linux being actively developed that comes close, but it's definitely not as polished or flexible. I'm primarily running Arch these days, but there are some things that Linux just has no good equivalent for.

But the opportunity cost is never having a true enterprise class file-system. If you look at Linux, OpenSolaris (and it's derivatives), BSD and yes even modern Windows in terms of core technology and performance their file-systems are generations ahead of OSX. What shocks me is that given the BSD lineage of OSX that is hasn't switched to ZFS yet given how Apple prides itself on being the "best of the best" of computing world.

But you want your mdfind and Spotlight so you have to be okay with giving up ZFS or another enterprise-class Linux/UNIX file-system!

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by itchyouch »

Yetanfou wrote: post #526
toomuchtodo wrote: post #247

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Different strokes. I've got better things to do with my time. I'd rather walk into the Apple store and replace my MBA or my iPhone when I've got a problem. That saves me time for my wife or my hobbies. Trade money for things that save you time, to spend that time on what's important to you (if you've got the money).

Using non-apple hardware and software does not take more time, nor does it incur more frustration. It generally does cost less money for the same level of performance. It often lasts longer than the apple-branded alternative as well due to the relative ease of repair and upgrade where the apple-branded alternative would have to be replaced. This saves me time for my wife, my children and my hobbies. It also saves me…

Unfortunately, upgradability is the niche use-case. Most everyone that I have ever known after a couple years of owning a computer, when faced with upgrading or replacing, they almost always choose replacement.

Because of the depreciation curve, a $500 computer is almost worthless after several years while a $1000 computer might be worth a hundred or two hundred dollars. Do you spend $200-300 on your $500 computer for say memory + SSD or put that $200-300 towards a new $1000 computer?

As far as time is considered, engineered solutions are generally read-to-go, Apple or Windows, but the Windows world still seems to be rife with bloat. Navigating the hundreds of models & manufacturers is overwhelming for the non-technical user. For many technical folks, it's much simpler to just say, 'Get a mac' or 'Get a Dell', nut the Dell option will be a small pain with navigating the choices.

Non-engineered solutions (building your own) do cost a little bit of a time investment in research, assembly and tweaking. For the technical folk here, it's merely a couple of extra hours. For the uninitiated, it's a lot of hours for knowledge that may not be readily applicable to them on a day-to-day basis.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by lobster_johnson »

lmns wrote: post #553
lobster_johnson wrote: post #464

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Mikrotik looks cool, never heard of them. But they only have one 5GHz (802.11ac) router, and it seems it came out recently? Not sure how I feel about jumping on something that new. I know nothing about the chipsets they use.

For wifi they use only Atheros chipsets because they write their own drivers and changing chipsets would require a complete rewrite for some of their custom stuff. They had devices with 5 GHz before, just not in their SOHO devices. I've got two of their SXT lites (5 GHz) with directional antennas and my wireless uptime between them is around 70d. Btw, the interface of their routers is a bit … verbose. I like it, but…

Thanks! Placed an order for the hAP ac lite. Looking forward to setting it up.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by sbd01 »

roymurdock wrote: post #50
mmastrac wrote: post #3

It's not just software. While I'm still a fan of Macbooks, I'm getting close to abandoning ship thanks to the increasingly un-repairability of these things. I have a Macbook from ~2008 that's still functional as a media PC thanks to memory/SSD upgrades and battery replacements over the years. My current Macbook Pro has memory soldered on to the motherboard and a battery glued to the case. The SSD is technically repla…

Had to buy a new laptop to replace a 2009 MBP recently. Chose the mid 2012 non-retina display. Took out the disk drive and put in my own SSD and RAM. Does everything I want it to do without the slightest complaint. All told I probably paid ~$700 less for a comparably powerful machine with 10x the internal storage of a late model MBP retina, albeit heavier and with a slightly inferior display. Next time I need to upgr…

I've just bought the computer you have and have maxed it out as well. It does what I need, and it will last me for a few more years, but I don't know what I'll do when I need a new computer. I've always chosen Mac, and I have no idea where to look for a good, high-performance Windows laptop.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by toomuchtodo »

Yetanfou wrote: post #526
toomuchtodo wrote: post #247

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Different strokes. I've got better things to do with my time. I'd rather walk into the Apple store and replace my MBA or my iPhone when I've got a problem. That saves me time for my wife or my hobbies. Trade money for things that save you time, to spend that time on what's important to you (if you've got the money).

Using non-apple hardware and software does not take more time, nor does it incur more frustration. It generally does cost less money for the same level of performance. It often lasts longer than the apple-branded alternative as well due to the relative ease of repair and upgrade where the apple-branded alternative would have to be replaced. This saves me time for my wife, my children and my hobbies. It also saves me…

> It also sends a signal to companies: there is a market for upgradable, repairable hardware.

I absolutely guarantee you that there simply are not enough of you to make hardware manufacturers cater to the upgradable/repairable market.

The only way upgradability/reparability will continue is if people like yourself form a non-profit or B Corp that makes open hardware that allows for it. The vast majority of people don't care.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by zurn »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #106
NicoJuicy wrote: post #102

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Full stack developer here on Windows, not everything maxed out. Payed 550€ for my laptop ( 8 gb, ..) 2 years ago, everything is still working fine and it's still enough ( Visual Studio is supposed to be a "heavy" program). = 23 € / month till now and still dropping... And it's hardly game over with my laptop. When i'm at 3 years, it will cost me about 15,2 € / month. I'll probably use it for longer. But let's say i d…

Can you run Docker on Windows yet? We're a Docker/Python/Go stack.

Docker is Linux-only :)

There are tools like docker-machine facilitate running Docker under Linux VMs non-Linux platforms though.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by collyw »

Swizec wrote: post #577
collyw wrote: post #570

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And you couldn't possibly do that on a Linux / Windows laptop?

It's irrelevant. A top of the line laptop that's reliable costs about $3k regardless of manufacturer. At least last time I checked. And no, not on Windows because in my experience it's the most terrible system for developers. Might've improved in the last 15 years. And no, not on linux. In my experience it requires constant tinkering with the system. According to my friends still on linux, this hasn't changed in the…

Rubbish. It make take a little more tweaking to get set up, but once its done it Linux distros don't require constant tinkering these days.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by DigitalJack »

VeejayRampay wrote: post #522
DigitalJack wrote: post #517

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I can't compare to windows 10, but I had to send my mbpr in for a screen replacement and while I waited for it to come back, I installed ubuntu on my old mbp. The desktop was a singularly terrible experience of bugginess. The bugs I experience in OSX are nothing compared to that experience. The only bug I notice right now is sometimes my wife's computer isn't accessible through Finder, and vice versa. Annoying but we…

I hear your point, but I feel like the comparison is not fair to Ubuntu. Like I said, Apple develops their own software for their own hardware. They control the whole thing. One can HOPE that everything will work out of the box. Ubuntu on the other hand has a MUCH harder task at hand depending on the computer and it's a known fact that common hardware has better support (Intel chipsets in general for example). The li…

I don't know that I buy the varied hardware thing much anymore. I mean, it's either AMD or Intel, a few chipsets, very few integrated video and it's well defined.

Support for dedicated video can be spotty I suppose, but most macs don't even have that so I'd just ignore it.

As far as controlling the hardware, it sounds like a good point, but I'd be surprised if Apple had less than 100 different variations on their laptop/desktop models over the last 5 years.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by anonbanker »

rayiner wrote: post #100
mmastrac wrote: post #3

It's not just software. While I'm still a fan of Macbooks, I'm getting close to abandoning ship thanks to the increasingly un-repairability of these things. I have a Macbook from ~2008 that's still functional as a media PC thanks to memory/SSD upgrades and battery replacements over the years. My current Macbook Pro has memory soldered on to the motherboard and a battery glued to the case. The SSD is technically repla…

Comparable laptops aren't really any better. The rMBP is a lot more repairable than say the Surface Book (which won't let you even open the case without possibly cracking the display). At least Apple has a battery replacement service at an advertised price--what'll Dell charge you to replace the non-servicable battery in the XPS13 or XPS15? And no other PC laptop hits that right sweet spot of power/battery/display qu…

You can install OS X on a surface tablet. it's definitely been done.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by gnicholas »

captaindiego wrote: post #423
gnicholas wrote: post #182

Yep—Airdrop from iOS to Mac is still a mess, even with new hardware and latest software. And don't get me started on how iOS 7 broke BT from my iPhone to my car, and then Apple told me to get my car's firmware updated. Really Apple? You release a software update, it breaks connectivity with my car, and you tell me to get my car fixed?

I've never seen airdrop actually function. I remember when it first came out I watched some excited people try to use it and then it failed completely. Nobody I know with an iphone even bothers trying to use it anymore.

Yeah, it works only between iOS-iOS or Mac-Mac for me. Rarely works cross-platform.

I even called AppleCare to troubleshoot, and the level 2 tech I spoke with said that it "might not work reliably" on pre-2014 devices. I pointed out that Apple's website claims compatibility for post-2012 devices (my MBA is 2013), and he said I was being argumentative. He also couldn't cite any documentation for his 2014 claim.

I now use Dropbox instead of AirDrop, which is inefficient—especially given my slow upstream connection—but at least works reliably.

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