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Re: Marriage turns genius off like a tap.

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My startup cofounder is my wife. Things are going splendidly. Generalizations are pretty useless in making decisions for your own life.

Thanks for the fantastically rare anecdotal example.

My point is more about the implications of such exceptions. Don't make decisions in the abstract. You aren't some random variable. You know a great deal about yourself, and conditional probabilities affect the aggregate statistics that caused your stereotypes and perceptions.

Re: Marriage turns genius off like a tap.

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I think some portion of "genius" is the ability to recognize and run with ideas, some of which come from others. Geniuses not only need to actually have an idea, they need the freedom to pursue it and get recognized.

Getting settled in to a family need not diminish the capacity for ideas, but following the established social conventions of ordinary people will reduce the chances to pursue them. Settling down may also make geniuses less social and as a result they may not pick up as many new ideas from others and they will limit their chances to be recognized.

Re: Marriage turns genius off like a tap.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the fantastically rare anecdotal example.

My point is more about the implications of such exceptions. Don't make decisions in the abstract. You aren't some random variable. You know a great deal about yourself, and conditional probabilities affect the aggregate statistics that caused your stereotypes and perceptions.

So you're saying that one should never heed general warnings but instead discover all potential risks through first-hand, irreversible, unprepared-for personal disaster?

The critical aspect here is that you do not entirely control the temperament of your partner. That is up to her and your luck. Best to not throw away this advice and make use of this knowledge while you can.

Of course, congratulations on your awesome luck.

Re: Marriage turns genius off like a tap.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My point is more about the implications of such exceptions. Don't make decisions in the abstract. You aren't some random variable. You know a great deal about yourself, and conditional probabilities affect the aggregate statistics that caused your stereotypes and perceptions.

So you're saying that one should never heed general warnings but instead discover all potential risks through first-hand, irreversible, unprepared-for personal disaster? The critical aspect here is that you do not entirely control the temperament of your partner. That is up to her and your luck. Best to not throw away this advice and make use of this knowledge while you can. Of course, congratulations on your awesome…

No, take general warnings as a guide, and add the context of your specific situation.

For example, wingsuit diving is essentially suicidal. http://youtube.com/watch?v=JHlOvhlKPvs

But if you happen to be an extremely talented wingsuit diver, such broad declarations don't mean as much.

Certainly heed advice if you are in no way exception with respect to the matters that influence the issue.

Also, about temperament... I've probably thought about the long term implications of temperament and interaction about starting the business far more than average. So if you shouldn't have gotten married, you sure as hell shouldn't start a company together. If you made a good decision (which sadly isn't too common), you can probably work together really well. Goes back to the main point: context matters over generalizations.

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I've always been the type that in order for me to learn something, I adopt a pet project. It brings context to the concepts. I can remember staying the night at my girlfriend's apartment (she's now my wife). We enjoyed each others company. But when she would fall asleep, I would hop on to her computer and begin working on my own projects. And she use to complain, in fact, get extremely angry that I was up "typing awa…

1) Einstein ended up getting divorced over his work. Is it worth it? 2) Sex is exhausting. Having it regularly is the real issue.

I don't think exhausting sex is the issue. But the feeling for no more being competitive for sex reduces the drive to work. And I guess raising children also took away time. Considering the case of Pablo Picasso. He still did great work but he never settled down in any relationship and always looking for a new girl like he was young.

I guess to refute the theory, we need to monitor testosterone levels of creative males for all his life. And after their death and 50 years later to judge the correlation of their testosterone level with achievements.

So shall we wait to see Serge Brin and Larry Page's declined capabilities in running Google? :-)

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Marriage doesn't only stop scientific genius. It also stops musical genius. A good example would be The Beatles. Consider them like a start-up. They had a phenomenally productive phase but it stopped after they got married. This could be because the number of decision makers grew and the number of relationships grew even more.

According to Wikipedia, John was married to Cynthia from 1962-68; then to Yoko. Ringo married in '65; George in '66.

Stunning counterexample.

Re: Marriage turns genius off like a tap.

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PG, any thoughts on this? Are you married? And dare I ask, are you celibate? ...No pressure, of course. It's a touchy subject to some.

I ask because you're more successful than most of us here, and I know of many people who claim that celibacy is crucial to doing anything great with your life, for whatever your definition of great is. Scientific evidence is hard to come by though, and even still, most people don't seem to accept it.

Re: Marriage turns genius off like a tap.

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Doesn't jive with my experience. A wife and family increaased my drive tremendously.

When i was single, I was a slacker mostly interested in partying. I would work just enough for rent and pot.

After our first son arrived 5 years ago (unplanned), I realized I had to make up for lost time, and have been extremely productive ever since, finishing my engineering degree, finally getting a "real" job in the industry, and then leaving that for my startup.

However, my wife constantly says I dont give enough time to the family. If I gave as much time as she wished, I doubt I would be successful.

Re: Marriage turns genius off like a tap.

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My startup cofounder is my wife. Things are going splendidly. Generalizations are pretty useless in making decisions for your own life.

I'm also working on a startup with my wife as cofounder. We haven't launched yet, but her skillset is a fantastic complement to mine. I'm a very strategic thinker, whereas she's a great tactician and good at organization. She's also brilliant (Ph.D. student in I/O psychology), which is one of the reasons I married her. :)

I think that most couples aren't capable of running a business together, but I also think we're particularly pragmatic and don't let emotions get in the way of our goals.

I also have found myself becoming MORE creative now that we've been married. That might just be because I didn't move out from my parents' house until a few months before the wedding, but I can say that the broad generalization of marriage destroying creativity doesn't apply to me.

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