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Post by vetinari »

spronkey wrote: post #528
jjoonathan wrote: post #430

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That's exactly why I used the awkward phrase "no additional cost" rather than "free." Even if I hadn't chosen my words carefully, "delusion" would be a strong word for attacking something that I didn't explicitly claim.

MS has had express editions of their IDEs available for quite some time....

Express edition used to have crippled (non-optimizing) compilers.

The original free command line tools for VS2003, that got cancelled with first Express edition, and all Apple compilers were uncrippled.

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Post by debaser121 »

greggman wrote: post #535
kalleboo wrote: post #410

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Receiving SMS is usually free, even while roaming

I'm assuming you'd like me to reply. That reply will cost money. Checking AT&T they want a extra $10 a month to send 100 International SMS messages or $0.25 a message https://www.att.com/shop/wireless/international/long-distanc...

There are ther messaging apps. I usually switch my green bubbles to skype or google hangouts

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Post by lmns »

lobster_johnson wrote: post #464
lmns wrote: post #401

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I'd consider a Ubiquiti AP or a MikroTik. Both make solid devices for routing and wifi. Especially MikroTik offers some nice all-in-one devices. Never had a problem with them.

Mikrotik looks cool, never heard of them. But they only have one 5GHz (802.11ac) router, and it seems it came out recently? Not sure how I feel about jumping on something that new. I know nothing about the chipsets they use.

For wifi they use only Atheros chipsets because they write their own drivers and changing chipsets would require a complete rewrite for some of their custom stuff.

They had devices with 5 GHz before, just not in their SOHO devices. I've got two of their SXT lites (5 GHz) with directional antennas and my wireless uptime between them is around 70d.

Btw, the interface of their routers is a bit … verbose. I like it, but you should definitely have a look at it before you buy one of their routers: http://demo.mt.lv/webfig/

Even their cheapest devices come with a full copy of their OS, so you could just buy a hAP lite (~$25) and see if you like it. I did the same and never looked back.

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Post by debaser121 »

zamalek wrote: post #534
nostrademons wrote: post #159

It's kinda weird to read commentators talking as if this was the end of a golden age of Apple. From my perspective, their application software has always sucked. It was there because you need apps to bootstrap a platform and attract enough users to attract developers. But you can't really expect a consumer electronics company to have the best application for a given niche once the niche has been identified and attrac…

You make a fair point, you can mostly avoid bad Apple software. The one choice you can't make is iTunes. Being forced to use that dreadful piece of software is why I gave my first iPhone away after little less than one week. It's abysmally incompetent as a music player. You could probably count the number of codecs it supports on one hand - a core feature of a music player is, well, playing your music. Last time I us…

iTunes has had a media browser since I started using it in the 10.3 days.

You haven't needed iTunes to use an iPhone for several years now. I still plug mine in once in a while for a local backup but I can't tell you the last time I've needed it. Apple's cloud backup is pretty good in my experience.

Don't get me wrong... iTunes is definitely getting worse. The media browser is too hard to find in the new version and the new default views don't handle large libraries very well.

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Post by hussong »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #211
aantix wrote: post #164

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The second I see iTunes is syncing I think to myself "oh fuck, oh fuck" and look to force quit the app as soon as possible. Then I spend the next half hour looking at the connected device to ensure my collection is still there. It's part of the reason why I switched over to the (defunct) Rdio. Managing the individual iTunes music files was just too stressful.

I never understood this. You keep all your music in iTunes. What harm could possibly come even if it did accidentally wipe your device? The worst possible scenario is that you'll have to wait a few minutes to sync it back again.

Not an iTunes user, but I guess some people just want to do a selective sync to certain devices to keep storage use in check and maintain library navigability on the device. That can be quite a bit of work which you wouldn't want to lose to technical failure.

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Post by buzzrobot »

x0 wrote: post #395
cyphar wrote: post #366

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Okay, so Windows sucks (big surprise). What about GNU/Linux? I've been using it for more than 5 years full-time and I've never had any show-stopping problems or problems that couldn't be solved with a 5-minute Google search.

Oh man... for the last 2 years I've been running Linux servers, I have tried and tried and tried to run Linux on my desktop, but... I have just never had a good experience. For instance, when I tried Xubuntu, my GPU was running at a constant 90 degrees Celsius for no real reason. Found out it was because it was also rendering another 5 screens in the background. Deleted them, after 3-4 days they would come back. My s…

If you need to run servers, wouldn't it be best to use Ubuntu server, rather than trying to press a desktop edition into use?

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Post by collyw »

millstone wrote: post #513
Frondo wrote: post #496

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My usual counterpoint is, I've been installing Linux on a wide variety of hardware, desktops, random laptops, etc., for a long time with virtually no problems, but I'm a little particular about the distro I use... Since Mageia broke off from Mandriva in 2011, I've used them exclusively (and I used Mandriva before that, since 2009). I'm not sure how they do it, or what the magic is, but they have been absolutely flawl…

I bought an Intel NUC two years ago, and it refused to boot Linux without a firmware update, which was not easy to apply. After installation, its IR port didn't work, and its HDMI output had tearing, which I was able to fix by editing xorg.conf. Based on my experience, Linux still needs a lot of fiddling before it works properly. I didn't try Mageia. Alt distros are intimidating since most technical advice is for mai…

It usually fine on hardware that has been available for more than a few months. Brand new stuff can be hit and miss.

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Post by samastur »

marincounty wrote: post #317
samastur wrote: post #253

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When was this golden age? I've been a Mac user for about 10 years and it was never better than now, probably the opposite. Every edition had bunch of bugs I hated. Before then I regularly tested Mac for local computer magazine and it didn't look better either. I even managed to freeze Mac OSX 10.1 with first mouse click when it arrived in our lab. Before then we had lots of fun looking at ways you could hang by that…

I have a feeling you have new Apple products. I have a three year old MacBook, and I believe, a four year old Ipad2. I want to believe it was just the iPad and too much JavaScript, but my laptop is not what I expect from a three year laptop. That wheel is spinning way too much. Chrome brings it to unusuable, but figured it was my fault. I only have 4 gigs. Actually, I though 4 gigs would be enough? I do not believe i…

I don't. My MacBookPro is late 2011 and my iPad2 was inherited from wife.

Both work fine although iPad is indeed more slugish than it was.

But I also use an old iPod which is still on IOS4 and that isn't great either (skips certain songs/podcasts...).

I could complain about all of them, but my point is that the same was true in any previous year.

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Post by martinald »

captaindiego wrote: post #420
martinald wrote: post #14

I use both Windows 10 and OS X on a rMBP all day at work. I definitely think Windows 10 is way more stable and polished. I constantly have problems with OS X WiFi connecting/dropping out, this has only been a recent thing since 10.11 (before OS X wifi support was incredible). I also have problems with Spotlight screwing up. I use spotlight for launching apps, and it often just loses all the apps which I use all day e…

Spotlight has been straight broken for me since 2008, especially when using large external drives (stuck "scanning" for >5 hours every time the drive is power cycles, using a whole core). I just gave up and now forceably disable spotlight.

You raise a good point, but like many of these things it's not totally broken, just temporarily. Just when you're about to try and look for a fix/alternative, it starts working again.

So you get that impression of everything being a bit creaky but never really getting motivated to spend some time fixing it.

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

United857 wrote: post #238
pyre wrote: post #217

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I don't have any experience developing iOS or Cocoa applications, but I imagine that you need to use at least some of the XCode toolchain to make those things happen.

You need the compilers/toolchain from Xcode, but there are third-party build tools, such as e.g. Buck[1] that combined with an decent editor, let you pretty much avoid the Xcode GUI for a lot of the development cycle. [1] https://buckbuild.com/

you said "a lot of the development cycle", as someone who hates Xcode I worry that won't be enough (not making anything requiring compilation on mac at moment, so not particularly worried)
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