lets pump your 10 year old full of hormones so you can signal how liberal and tolerant you are on facebook.
this all makes me incredibly sad.
How the Fight Over Transgender Kids Got a Leading Sex Researcher Fired
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#22"In 2016, there’s fairly solid agreement about the proper course of treatment for otherwise healthy, stable young people who have persistent gender dysphoria, and who are either approaching puberty or older than that: You help them transition to their true gender. The process is different from person to person, but for an 11-year-old, it might include a round of puberty-blocking hormones to prevent the development of…
11 year olds have a pretty good idea about their gender identity. Puberty blockers are a temporary measure to avoid the trauma of the child going through puberty as the wrong gender - and it is traumatic. Young people are at generally at low risk of suicide, but that risk increases for trans children.
11 year olds 100 years ago, maybe. Nowadays they are children in slightly larger bodies.
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your point being? In this case it is hormone blockers that delay the onset of puberty, to essentially "buy time" until the patient can competently make a decision on more invasive transitioning. This is reversible (just stop taking the drugs), and for young people with gender dysphoria, the onset of puberty can be extremely traumatic and often triggers a range of sometimes severely self-destructive behaviour, and so…
I feel like "reversible" is a generous term for hormone therapies. And additionally, I suspect that puberty and its associated natural hormones is a big part of what allows a teen to feel comfortable.
You can feel like that all you want, but the facts are that puberty delaying hormone blockers have a well known safety profile, and that the benefits in reducing emotional and behavioural problems and reducing onset of depression as a result of onset of puberty, amongst others, is well established.
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#24"In 2016, there’s fairly solid agreement about the proper course of treatment for otherwise healthy, stable young people who have persistent gender dysphoria, and who are either approaching puberty or older than that: You help them transition to their true gender. The process is different from person to person, but for an 11-year-old, it might include a round of puberty-blocking hormones to prevent the development of…
Your point being? In this case it is hormone blockers that delay the onset of puberty, to essentially "buy time" until the patient can competently make a decision on more invasive transitioning. This is reversible (just stop taking the drugs), and for young people with gender dysphoria, the onset of puberty can be extremely traumatic and often triggers a range of sometimes severely self-destructive behaviour, and so…
>This is reversible
I do not think delaying puberty is reversible. Puberty is an integral part of growing up and maturing into an adult. Delaying it will change the child's mental make-up and I do not consider that to be natural or something that should be done with anybody.
IMO the safest thing is to let the child attain majority, and then allow them to make whatever choice they want.
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#25lets pump your 10 year old full of hormones so you can signal how liberal and tolerant you are on facebook. this all makes me incredibly sad.
Noone are pumping 10 year olds full of hormones for the parents sake. Children that have undergone lenghty consultations and therapy are sometimes given puberty-delaying hormone-blockers because the medical evidence is that it substantially reduces emotional and behavioural problems and depression to delay onset until the child matures further mentally and emotionally and is in a better place to decide whether to transition or not.
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#26There is a huge problem when activists care more about their cause than the truth.
I think this is true, and additionally I believe that we should promote understanding and acceptance rather than "pushing" for "one cause over another".
Even worse, I worry about people who twist the community and goals to their own ends (some examples show up at times on reddit's TumblrInAction), but I understand that this is probably a minority. At the same time, I can't help but feel like there is a small, growing hostility towards cisgendered people...
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your point being? In this case it is hormone blockers that delay the onset of puberty, to essentially "buy time" until the patient can competently make a decision on more invasive transitioning. This is reversible (just stop taking the drugs), and for young people with gender dysphoria, the onset of puberty can be extremely traumatic and often triggers a range of sometimes severely self-destructive behaviour, and so…
>This is reversible I do not think delaying puberty is reversible. Puberty is an integral part of growing up and maturing into an adult. Delaying it will change the child's mental make-up and I do not consider that to be natural or something that should be done with anybody. IMO the safest thing is to let the child attain majority, and then allow them to make whatever choice they want.
> I do not think delaying puberty is reversible
Then you are wrong. Simple as that. There's been plenty of published research investigating these drugs and their effect, both physical and otherwise.
> Puberty is an integral part of growing up and maturing into an adult. Delaying it will change the child's mental make-up and I do not consider that to be natural or something that should be done with anybody.
Going through puberty as the "wrong gender" for someone with gender dysphoria is associated with a long range of substantial mental health issues that also changes a child mental make-up, and in very negative ways.
> IMO the safest thing is to let the child attain majority, and then allow them to make whatever choice they want.
The research disagrees with you. These drugs are not used for fun. They are used because they have been shown to ameliorate substantial health issues for these patients. Waiting until they attain majority is too late - the damage has already been done.
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#28I can't help thinking that there really is a large element of adults applying adult values to children here. > "...research suggests that most gender-dysphoric kids will, in the long run, end up identifying as cisgender." If this really is true, then the approach offered by Dr Zucker makes far more sense to me - to allow the child to make up his/her own mind over time and provide an understanding and sympathetic envi…
While I tend to agree, note that a child is not diagnosed with gender dysphoria the "moment they express doubt". It takes extensive evaluation that takes into account persistent and insistent behaviour over time to give that diagnosis. Depending on country, it can take years before that diagnosis is given, but even the most gung-ho people in that article have far more stringent critria than "expressing doubt".
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#29This is silly. Young children are essentially genderless. If they express gender issues, work on it using therapy to find what the cause is. I don't see the need to make them crossdress etc. at such a young age.
The cause may be though that they just feel that way. I remember that since the beginning of the primary school there was a boy who pretty much perfectly integrated with girls. The clothes were the only difference from the outside. He explicitly identified himself as a girl. And that was from the age of 9 until 16 (if I count the years correctly...).
He was very far from genderless. Actually now that I remember it, it was so plain / obvious / natural that (as far as I'm aware) none of the kids picked on him about that - and kids picked on almost anyone for any reason.
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your point being? In this case it is hormone blockers that delay the onset of puberty, to essentially "buy time" until the patient can competently make a decision on more invasive transitioning. This is reversible (just stop taking the drugs), and for young people with gender dysphoria, the onset of puberty can be extremely traumatic and often triggers a range of sometimes severely self-destructive behaviour, and so…
>This is reversible I do not think delaying puberty is reversible. Puberty is an integral part of growing up and maturing into an adult. Delaying it will change the child's mental make-up and I do not consider that to be natural or something that should be done with anybody. IMO the safest thing is to let the child attain majority, and then allow them to make whatever choice they want.
Puberty hits at different ages. An artificial delay is not a big problem.
Doing nothing until 18 causes massive irreversible changes.