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Will Bond (Package Control) Joins Sublime HQ

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Re: Will Bond (Package Control) Joins Sublime HQ

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Love Sublime, and honestly feel like if there was more financial support from developers it would have even more marketshare. Congratulations Will, check out his super useful sftp package as well: https://wbond.net/sublime_packages/sftp .

I don't think money was an issue. Wes Bos gave some numbers on his Sublime Text learning course and extrapolated that the Sublime team had made a few million easily for what was a one developer operation. He based his numbers on assuming that the people that paid for his course to learn sublime would only be a fraction of those that paid to actually use sublime, so I think that sounds reasonable.

Aside from an occasional dialog, there's pretty much zero cost to never paying for Sublime. (I'm a licensed user, but when I put it on other machines I use, I usually don't enter my license key, and I almost never notice)

Re: Will Bond (Package Control) Joins Sublime HQ

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Good news I love Sublime it's so fast and slick - I haven't used Atom because consensus seems to be that it's not as fast with multiple large files open. Why is everyone obsessed about open source, yes nice to have but at the end of the day this is just a (very sharp) tool - what's your priority tinkering with your tools or getting the job done? 70$ is peanuts, speed and productivity gains way outweigh this. ST is mu…

For me, the issue with Atom and speed has nothing to do with large files. It's that even with small files, it's often just slightly unresponsive--not that it freezes or anything like that, just that lots of things take a fraction of a second longer than they should, which becomes very annoying in the long run. In my opinion, this really shouldn't have to be a problem today... on the other hand, it seems like a lot of people just aren't bothered by this kind of thing.

Re: Will Bond (Package Control) Joins Sublime HQ

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Until Atom is written natively I don't think Sublime Text is going to have a serious competitor.

Why? Speed? Visual Studio Code is based on JavaScript too and it's very fast. They even both use Electron, the JS-desktop-app core that the Atom guys open sourced separately.

VS Code is leagues better than Atom, but it's still perceivably and annoyingly slower than Sublime.

Re: Will Bond (Package Control) Joins Sublime HQ

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This is very good news, but I worry that it's too little, too late. For years, Sublime Text had no serious competitors. Then Atom came along. Don't get me wrong, Atom has significant drawbacks. But it also has advantages: it's open source, costs nothing, and has a couple dozen developers working on it. Sublime Text is closed source, costs $70 (totally worth it, IMO), and has two developers working on it. The differen…

> For years, Sublime Text had no serious competitors. Then Atom came along. Don't get me wrong Let's also not forget: o Brackets (which I do prefer over ST for Javascript and CSS), o Visual Studio Code o EditPlus (not so great with plug ins, but it's such a solid editor that this was my favourite for years before ST) o Notepad++ (very popular text editor) o Kate (KDE) o Emacs (which has long since also had a GUI) o P…

I also think that the "no competition" point is overblown, but Sublime was still quite unique. It is very general purpose, not focused on any particular domain like Brackets, multiplatform, and with a great plugin ecosystem. It was a swiss-knife editor, that you could throw at anything and was always great.

I don't use it any more, but a few years ago I did everything, from writing a paper in latex to webdev to C, in Sublime. It was by far the king to my toolbelt.

* Brackets was only good for web (wasn't it?)

* Visual Studio Code is newer than Atom

* Notepad++ is, I think, quite outdated, and windows only

* I like Kate, but not so much out of KDE, that is very niche compared to Windows, OSX, and the wider Linux world

* Emacs (and Vim!) are hard to learn and slowly dying off[1]

* Other specific editors are... specific, and thus not direct competition to ST

[1] Might be my perception. I hope they'll never really die; I use both (Emacs+Evil and GVim), and learned in the last 2 years, but I'm the only one I know.

Re: Will Bond (Package Control) Joins Sublime HQ

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This is very good news, but I worry that it's too little, too late. For years, Sublime Text had no serious competitors. Then Atom came along. Don't get me wrong, Atom has significant drawbacks. But it also has advantages: it's open source, costs nothing, and has a couple dozen developers working on it. Sublime Text is closed source, costs $70 (totally worth it, IMO), and has two developers working on it. The differen…

Agree, up until Atom came out, Sublime had a virtual monopoly in the text editor space but now Atom has much more momentum and more importantly support from many thought leaders in the industry.

Monopoly? I highly doubt Sublime ever had even 20% of Notepad++'s installs.

Re: Will Bond (Package Control) Joins Sublime HQ

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post #11

This is very good news, but I worry that it's too little, too late. For years, Sublime Text had no serious competitors. Then Atom came along. Don't get me wrong, Atom has significant drawbacks. But it also has advantages: it's open source, costs nothing, and has a couple dozen developers working on it. Sublime Text is closed source, costs $70 (totally worth it, IMO), and has two developers working on it. The differen…

Until Atom is written natively I don't think Sublime Text is going to have a serious competitor.

Can confirm, I tried using Atom for four months but recently gave up.

Electron and other Chromium wrappers are the new client-side JVM.

Re: Will Bond (Package Control) Joins Sublime HQ

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For years, Sublime Text had no serious competitors. Then Atom came along. Don't get me wrong Let's also not forget: o Brackets (which I do prefer over ST for Javascript and CSS), o Visual Studio Code o EditPlus (not so great with plug ins, but it's such a solid editor that this was my favourite for years before ST) o Notepad++ (very popular text editor) o Kate (KDE) o Emacs (which has long since also had a GUI) o P…

I also think that the "no competition" point is overblown, but Sublime was still quite unique. It is very general purpose, not focused on any particular domain like Brackets, multiplatform, and with a great plugin ecosystem. It was a swiss-knife editor, that you could throw at anything and was always great. I don't use it any more, but a few years ago I did everything, from writing a paper in latex to webdev to C, in…

I don't disagree with you per se, but I do think you're exaggerating things a little with regards to just how unique Sublime Text is. I've spent a lot of time switching between text editors (more time than I really should - but sometimes procrastination trumps productivity) and here are some of my thoughts on the points you've raised:

> Brackets was only good for web (wasn't it?)

That's certainly where it excels at, but there are plugins for other languages (eg I did write Go code in Brackets, albeit only for a brief period).

> Notepad++ is, I think, quite outdated

It's not the prettiest editor in the world, but it's a little unfair calling it "outdated" when it releases updates more frequent than Sublime Text does.

> Emacs (and Vim!) are hard to learn and slowly dying off

They're no harder to learn than any other IDE. But it's definitely fair to say that there's a steeper initial curve than something that's largely point-and-click; and that they're not as trendy nor pretty so most users (understandably) aren't interested in familiarising themselves with the basics.

> Other specific editors are... specific, and thus not direct competition to ST

That's not entirely fair as a lot of peoples ST use will be for specific things.

In fact I often find myself using about half a dozen different general purpose text editors for specific things: vi for when I need to edit root owned files; Kate for general config files / text files; ST for Go; Brackets for JS and CSS; Notepad++ for editing Windows scripts; and POSIX tools (echo, tee, sed, awk, grep, etc) for automation in editing text documents.

For me, ST could easily be replaced by any of the other editors I use or some of the specific ones (eg LiteIDE). I pretty much only use ST for Go because of habit and I'm sure in 6 months time I'd have gotten bored and switched again.

My point is that not everyones usage for ST to be as diverse as you suggest. So Sublime Text is still having to compete with other tailored editors as well as the general purpose ones.

> windows only ... KDE, that is very niche compared to Windows, OSX

I don't think that many people switch between Windows, OS X and Linux enough that they need a single cross-platform editor. For most people, an editor that "just works" on their preferred platform is all they need. So in that regard, Kate and Notepad++ are just as viable competitors to Sublime Text as Atom is; albeit the former two are only competitors on specific platforms.

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