Perception is interesting here. I have worked with startups in Silicon Valley since 1984 and remember the ever-increasing dismay throughout the period extending right up to the early-to-mid-90s of the "UNIX guys" (that is how I saw them) as they were almost ready to explode watching Microsoft apparently taking over first the consumer desktop and then the enterprise with what they saw as crappy products relative to th…
Why I disagree when people say Microsoft is no longer leading the way
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#12This is a minor point, but rumors of IBM's demise are greatly exaggerated. Last I checked it had a market cap of more than $160B. One could argue that IBM's PC business is what died, but I'd say Dell did more to kill that than Microsoft (my guess is MS doesn't care whose hardware they run on.) The other companies the author described, Xerox and Bell Labs and Apple, only one is still kicking around in the consumer tec…
Dell gets credit for being a pretty efficient if not innovative box builder, first with a major online store (ironically it ran on NeXT software) to sell over that thing called the World Wide Web which was developed on NeXT computers.
IBM deserves some blame, if not credit, for allowing Microsoft the foot in the door with licensing which led to their excessive enrichment. If IBM has insisted on buying an OS outright, or developed their own, we probably wouldn't have had the widescale mess known as DOS and Windows. Microsoft basically bought DOS outright from someone else, so they didn't even innovate that. DOS/Window success wasn't based on quality, but on licensing and taking away consumer choice (through dealing with manufacturers and bundling) as the article points out.
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#13Microsoft lost its way quite a long time ago. In the 1990s it was pretty much invincible, but after that things began to unravel. For me the lowlights were: Windows ME - it self-destructed on me after a few months of usage Internet Explorer 6 - gave me the best possible incentive to move to Firefox Windows Genuine (Dis)Advantage - for me was really the final straw Windows XP was highly successful though, although aga…
Just as some seem to look back on Microsoft and portray it as having been so good, there seem to be some rose colored glasses looking at XP too. Yes it was hugely better than earlier consumer versions of Windows, but between it's inferiority to OS X, and massive number of security holes, and the various ways people were locked into it, it was pretty sick.
I think it was some of the disappointments of Vista that somehow made XP seem better in retrospect Sure XP was popular in the sense of it being widespread, but the same could be said of herpes.
It's sort of like Bush making Reagan and Nixon seem better. Nixon, the criminal, sure looks saintly now. And as much as some may have disagreed with Reaganomics, he still came across as honest about his intentions, and likable with a sense of humor.
Its funny how perspectives age.
Re: Why I disagree when people say Microsoft is no longer leading the way
#14This is a minor point, but rumors of IBM's demise are greatly exaggerated. Last I checked it had a market cap of more than $160B. One could argue that IBM's PC business is what died, but I'd say Dell did more to kill that than Microsoft (my guess is MS doesn't care whose hardware they run on.) The other companies the author described, Xerox and Bell Labs and Apple, only one is still kicking around in the consumer tec…
Re: Why I disagree when people say Microsoft is no longer leading the way
#15Perception is interesting here. I have worked with startups in Silicon Valley since 1984 and remember the ever-increasing dismay throughout the period extending right up to the early-to-mid-90s of the "UNIX guys" (that is how I saw them) as they were almost ready to explode watching Microsoft apparently taking over first the consumer desktop and then the enterprise with what they saw as crappy products relative to th…
The hold Microsoft, Oracle (Sun) have over enterprise software comes from marketing. An entire generation of programmers has been trained and certified to use and develop with their products and knows of nothing more. These programmers careers are so dependent on identification with these companies that they defend them with a surprising close minded intensity.
You say that like it is a bad thing. Let's hypothetically say you can duplicate all of the Excel macros and VB apps which, ahem, run the world with a sufficient quantity of (e.g.) Perl scripts. That doesn't by itself help anybody -- you still have to teach them "Hey guys, Perl: it solves boring business problems in addition to enabling golf games." Microsoft has done an awful, awful lot of teaching over the years.
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
The hold Microsoft, Oracle (Sun) have over enterprise software comes from marketing. An entire generation of programmers has been trained and certified to use and develop with their products and knows of nothing more. These programmers careers are so dependent on identification with these companies that they defend them with a surprising close minded intensity.
The hold Microsoft, Oracle (Sun) have over enterprise software comes from marketing. You say that like it is a bad thing. Let's hypothetically say you can duplicate all of the Excel macros and VB apps which, ahem, run the world with a sufficient quantity of (e.g.) Perl scripts. That doesn't by itself help anybody -- you still have to teach them "Hey guys, Perl: it solves boring business problems in addition to enabli…
Re: Why I disagree when people say Microsoft is no longer leading the way
#17While you sit at your desk analyzing this and that, thousands of business flourish and make money, thanks to the privacy killers (Google), the imperial monopolists (Microsoft) or the vertical Nazis (Apple) or the old Nazis (IBM). What have YOU been doing to change the world like that, huh?
And don't come all "I have been doing Linux!" on me, because the largest amount of contributors to Linux are the very companies you pathetically try to bash from your fantastic jobs as code monkeys at ACME International Ltd.
"Hacker" folks need to understand that software is just a tool for business and consumers to use to get shit done; it's not an end on itself. The massive success of all these companies, MS included, shows that shit is getting done, lives are improving, people are making money and being happy.
In the end, that's all that matters. "Experts" have been killing IBM, then Microsoft, then Oracle, even Apple, for years. These people grow old, retire, and these companies continue (and will continue) to be successful for a simple reason: they provide value.
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#19Perception is interesting here. I have worked with startups in Silicon Valley since 1984 and remember the ever-increasing dismay throughout the period extending right up to the early-to-mid-90s of the "UNIX guys" (that is how I saw them) as they were almost ready to explode watching Microsoft apparently taking over first the consumer desktop and then the enterprise with what they saw as crappy products relative to th…
it's also interesting to note that Microsoft, a company that many software experts agree makes inferior products, is also a huge market leader. This hints at something a lot of technically minded people oversee: Sales and marketing is what drives a company. Microsoft is probably the most savvy tech company out there when it comes to sales. Yes, they are stuffing things down people's throat, abusing their monopoly, an…
While they suck at the traditional approaches, (Jerry Seinfeld / Bill Gates etc) they are willing to spend insane amounts of money so they can leverage what works. Buying Halo / Bungie sacrificing all that cross platform money so they could "buy" hype. Buying Hotmail for far more than it was ever going to be worth so they could change the backend to use MS server. The problem for MS is they don't know how to scale back to less profitable industries.
Edit: It could be argued that MS simply understands the value of creating a monopoly and is willing to spend to create new ones. They seem to make money selling MS branded mice without those tactics just fine, but I don't know how profitable that is.
Re: Why I disagree when people say Microsoft is no longer leading the way
#20Perception is interesting here. I have worked with startups in Silicon Valley since 1984 and remember the ever-increasing dismay throughout the period extending right up to the early-to-mid-90s of the "UNIX guys" (that is how I saw them) as they were almost ready to explode watching Microsoft apparently taking over first the consumer desktop and then the enterprise with what they saw as crappy products relative to th…
it's also interesting to note that Microsoft, a company that many software experts agree makes inferior products, is also a huge market leader. This hints at something a lot of technically minded people oversee: Sales and marketing is what drives a company. Microsoft is probably the most savvy tech company out there when it comes to sales. Yes, they are stuffing things down people's throat, abusing their monopoly, an…
well, we've been accused of a lot of things, but not being able to make money isn't one of them
And all I can find is this HN ref. When did Ballmer say that?