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Re: Will Bond (Package Control) Joins Sublime HQ

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Post by chrisblackwell »

ggreer wrote: post #11

This is very good news, but I worry that it's too little, too late. For years, Sublime Text had no serious competitors. Then Atom came along. Don't get me wrong, Atom has significant drawbacks. But it also has advantages: it's open source, costs nothing, and has a couple dozen developers working on it. Sublime Text is closed source, costs $70 (totally worth it, IMO), and has two developers working on it. The differen…

Don't discount the benefit of a few men, trying to build a business. Doing dedicated work for Open Source is amazing, and very honourable. However, as the ATOM team grows, so does the overhead, the documentation requirements, and group thought. Sublime going lean and closed source might make things more competitive then you think.

Re: Will Bond (Package Control) Joins Sublime HQ

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Post by tstrimple »

chrisblackwell wrote: post #21
ggreer wrote: post #11

This is very good news, but I worry that it's too little, too late. For years, Sublime Text had no serious competitors. Then Atom came along. Don't get me wrong, Atom has significant drawbacks. But it also has advantages: it's open source, costs nothing, and has a couple dozen developers working on it. Sublime Text is closed source, costs $70 (totally worth it, IMO), and has two developers working on it. The differen…

Don't discount the benefit of a few men, trying to build a business. Doing dedicated work for Open Source is amazing, and very honourable. However, as the ATOM team grows, so does the overhead, the documentation requirements, and group thought. Sublime going lean and closed source might make things more competitive then you think.

Except for the whole fact that they are incredibly slow. Sublime has had major issues with consistent releases and complete silence from the owner with regards to updates.

Re: Will Bond (Package Control) Joins Sublime HQ

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Post by chrisblackwell »

tstrimple wrote: post #22
chrisblackwell wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't discount the benefit of a few men, trying to build a business. Doing dedicated work for Open Source is amazing, and very honourable. However, as the ATOM team grows, so does the overhead, the documentation requirements, and group thought. Sublime going lean and closed source might make things more competitive then you think.

Except for the whole fact that they are incredibly slow. Sublime has had major issues with consistent releases and complete silence from the owner with regards to updates.

Yes, but that's the point of Will Bond joining. He will be a developer actively dedicated to new releases.

Re: Will Bond (Package Control) Joins Sublime HQ

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Post by moonlighter »

Sublime Text user here, who switched to Atom a year ago and never looked back. Never had any of the issues others described having with Atom such as slowness, etc. What I love about Atom is that it's under active, fast-paced development, that it's super-easy to customize (first thing was to increase the font-size of the left-hand folder pane), and the available plugins are fantastic. It probably also helps that extending Atom is much more approachable given that it's all Javascript, rather than Python with ST. Furthermore, as others commented, the plugins have much more reach into the editor and can do a lot more.

For example, the new block decorations coming in 1.6 are going to be an awesome API for plugin authors! http://blog.atom.io/2016/02/03/introducing-block-decorations...

Re: Will Bond (Package Control) Joins Sublime HQ

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Post by ossreality »

moonlighter wrote: post #24

Sublime Text user here, who switched to Atom a year ago and never looked back. Never had any of the issues others described having with Atom such as slowness, etc. What I love about Atom is that it's under active, fast-paced development, that it's super-easy to customize (first thing was to increase the font-size of the left-hand folder pane), and the available plugins are fantastic. It probably also helps that exten…

>Never had any of the issues others described having with Atom such as slowness, etc.

aka ""I've never opened a file larger than 1KB"".

Okay cool, so we can disregard the rest of your testimony; cool, good to know.

Re: Will Bond (Package Control) Joins Sublime HQ

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Post by modulus1 »

moonlighter wrote: post #24

Sublime Text user here, who switched to Atom a year ago and never looked back. Never had any of the issues others described having with Atom such as slowness, etc. What I love about Atom is that it's under active, fast-paced development, that it's super-easy to customize (first thing was to increase the font-size of the left-hand folder pane), and the available plugins are fantastic. It probably also helps that exten…

> It probably also helps that extending Atom is much more approachable given that it's all Javascript...

I've heard this said before, I've had the opposite experience. ST offers a small api and it was easy for me to make something work with a single .py file. I gave up trying the same thing in Atom; the api is larger and lower-level. Admission: I don't know coffeescript.

ST of course isn't nearly as flexible, there are many things you just can't do.

Re: Will Bond (Package Control) Joins Sublime HQ

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Post by FireBeyond »

chrisblackwell wrote: post #23
tstrimple wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except for the whole fact that they are incredibly slow. Sublime has had major issues with consistent releases and complete silence from the owner with regards to updates.

Yes, but that's the point of Will Bond joining. He will be a developer actively dedicated to new releases.

"I'd also like to welcome prominent community member and Package Control mastermind Will Bond to the Sublime HQ team."

Or he's getting paid to manage packages. Your point makes assumptions not backed up by evidence.

Re: Will Bond (Package Control) Joins Sublime HQ

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Post by mmanfrin »

bsimpson wrote: post #18
hbhakhra wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree, up until Atom came out, Sublime had a virtual monopoly in the text editor space but now Atom has much more momentum and more importantly support from many thought leaders in the industry.

Sounds a lot like TextMate pre-Sublime. Atom is the third in a succession of hipster text editors. It'll be interesting to see if it ever gets performant enough to use primarily and if its open nature enables it to perch on the roost a bit longer.

  Atom is the third in a succession of hipster text editors
What an unbelievably pretentious thing to say.

Re: Will Bond (Package Control) Joins Sublime HQ

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Post by welly »

ggreer wrote: post #11

This is very good news, but I worry that it's too little, too late. For years, Sublime Text had no serious competitors. Then Atom came along. Don't get me wrong, Atom has significant drawbacks. But it also has advantages: it's open source, costs nothing, and has a couple dozen developers working on it. Sublime Text is closed source, costs $70 (totally worth it, IMO), and has two developers working on it. The differen…

This same thing happened with Textmate and it looks like history is repeating itself.

Re: Will Bond (Package Control) Joins Sublime HQ

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Post by tangue »

bsimpson wrote: post #18
hbhakhra wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree, up until Atom came out, Sublime had a virtual monopoly in the text editor space but now Atom has much more momentum and more importantly support from many thought leaders in the industry.

Sounds a lot like TextMate pre-Sublime. Atom is the third in a succession of hipster text editors. It'll be interesting to see if it ever gets performant enough to use primarily and if its open nature enables it to perch on the roost a bit longer.

The hype is real but I won't put Atom in this category : it's probably the most hackable editor since Emacs.
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