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Post by kuschku »

zzleeper wrote: post #368
kuschku wrote: post #281

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In my city, Google Maps has NO transit, NO satellite images since 2004, NO map data since 2010. Here maps has satellite and transit, and Apple Maps even has full 3D buildings. Following is a set of complaints I compiled last year when a Google employee asked me on reddit to post them more detail about my maps complaints. The usability of any Google product outside the US is a total disaster, and it’s a wonder how Goo…

TBH you can blame that on Germany alienating Google Maps https://gigaom.com/2014/12/05/googles-cars-return-to-german-... "Google started automatically blurring faces and number plates, it was forced to give Germans the option of having their houses blurred out as well – something hundreds of thousands of people took the firm up on. However, this was a costly business, with Google needing to hire temporary workers to…

That concerns street view.

But Google has bought access to the government map data (GeoBasis-DE for Germany, I posted a screenshot of what GeoBasis-DE shows for the area above).

Google has bought the mapdata, can use it, but doesn't.

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Post by [deleted] »

jjoonathan wrote: post #354
nostrademons wrote: post #328

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FWIW, there are more options than just Apple and Microsoft. I was on RedHat from 1998-1999, Mandrake in 2000, back to WinXP in 2001-2002, Mandrake again from 2003-2004, XP again in 2005 but with Ubuntu running under VMWare, switched to mostly web-based apps from 2005-2007, but ended up going back to OS X Leopard (but again, with mostly webapps) in 2009. I had a System76 laptop running Ubuntu from 2013-2015, and of co…

Twice a year (after finals each semester) I would make a ritual of spending a day or two trying to install and use linux because I believed in what they were trying to do (also, package manager!). Every single time, without fail, within those first couple days I hit some sort of show-stopping bug. Sometimes the installer wouldn't work and I'd spend that time cycling through different disk tools / CDR drives / images.…

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Post by lhl »

Bud wrote: post #392
level3 wrote: post #338

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Conversely, Apple Maps still has no transit in Tokyo, rendering it completely unusable in one of the iPhone's largest markets. So don't extrapolate your city to the rest of the world.

Conversely, Google Maps is lame for transit everywhere in the world, whereas at least Apple Maps is making rapid progress here.

I visited a dozen+ countries in 4 continents last year - GMaps did a pretty decent (often great) job with public transit. In the cases where there was no/bad data, it usually had more to do with the transit authorities being jackasses than anything in Google's control (Melbourne in particular stuck out as being just terrible).

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Post by ajmurmann »

true_religion wrote: post #415
chipx86 wrote: post #384

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My MacBook Pro is from 2012, but I have 16GB of RAM in it. I regularly have something like 10 windows with about 15 or so tabs in each. It can get bogged down at times, but generally works fine. Chrome wants RAM, so I think that's the real blocker in your case.

Yes, I learned my lesson of thinking 4GB was good enough. It's better to have 8GB minimum, but best of all to get as much ram as possible on a machine.

General computer buying rule: always buy as much ram as you can afford even if it seems like an insane amount at the time! One thing that drives me nuts about phones and tablets. I want to pay more money for more, more ram. Nothing impacts your devices life span more than the amount of ram.

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Post by ksec »

Apple software was only good, or comparatively good in the era when Windows Software was absolutely crap. But that is no longer the case anymore. Windows Software still may not be as good, but the gap has definitely shrunken a lot. That is why it no longer feel good. And once you add the truly dreadful ones like iTunes which, again is the biggest pile of crap in Human computer history, and the services that is called iCloud lagging behind Google, Yahoo and even Microsoft.

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Post by lhl »

marincounty wrote: post #292
bphogan wrote: post #223

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The alternative is that I need to have 30 versions of Chrome laying around because they update every week or two. Surely there has to be a middle ground. :)

I have a three year old MacBook. I would like to use Chrome, but it brings my laptop to a crawl. Almost unusuable. I just figured it was my 4 gigs of RAM, and everyone was having a problem with Chrome? You guys run Chrome with no problems? You must have more ram?

I've found recent versions of Firefox to be surprisingly much zippier than Chrome and w much lower memory usage as well (especially w uBlock Origin).

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Post by ocean3 »

roymurdock wrote: post #228
nostrademons wrote: post #159

It's kinda weird to read commentators talking as if this was the end of a golden age of Apple. From my perspective, their application software has always sucked. It was there because you need apps to bootstrap a platform and attract enough users to attract developers. But you can't really expect a consumer electronics company to have the best application for a given niche once the niche has been identified and attrac…

> From my perspective, their application software has always sucked. I think the main problem is not the application software (aside from iTunes and Apple Maps) - the main problem is the OS level software. During the "golden age" of apple, apps would just work. Didn't matter if it you were using Apple-provided software or "better" 3rd party stuff - crashing, lagging, stuttering was minimal. Now, many users are seeing…

The last 2 versions are the worst for old systems. Before Yosemite beach ball was a rarity. Now its a daily occurrence.I have tested El Captiano on newer systems and its silky smooth. They are kind of forcing me to upgrade. But this experience has made be wary of buying Apple products.

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Post by lumpybacon »

andreyvit wrote: post #477
lumpybacon wrote: post #379

After a few years of fiddling with Windows and Linux on a custom-built PC, I'm looking to get a computer that "just works", as this is a time in my life when I really can't afford to deal with any hassles (not that there was anything particularly bad with my setup; it's just the little things that add up). I had my eye on a Mac (mainly for OS X), but it's increasingly looking like a bad time to get one. Is it really,…

Depends on your definition of a hassle. I am a happy user of Apple software, I love iTunes. I do experience occasional issues — AirDrop not finding peers, iOS asking for a password when it's not supposed to, iMessage failing to sync SMS read states between the Mac and the phone. If you're okay with occasional problems like that, go ahead and try it.

I suppose every operating system is going to have little problems like that, and if that's all there is, I can manage. It's just that I really liked OS X back in the Leopard and Snow Leopard days. I could almost describe it as a "magical" experience using them, but I'm worried that that magic's gone in these latest versions, as all this recent complaining seems to indicate.

Can you perhaps tell me how newer versions of OS X fare as a UNIX-based operating system for development, compared to Linux? I've heard that it's become more locked down. How about its app "ecosystem"? I remember that a lot of apps, by developers small and large, were of really high quality.

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Post by lhl »

hackercomplex wrote: post #326
jjoonathan wrote: post #306

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> anyone who used the whole integrated Apple software suite and never looked elsewhere has been missing out on some seriously nice features this whole time Ditto for anyone not using the Apple ecosystem. Better tested drivers installed by default, no OS license hassles, no issues created by malfunctioning (or maliciously functioning) antivirus, top download sites weren't infested with malware (no hunt for the real DL…

Why compare it to windows ? Compare it to Ubuntu or Chrome OS. You have Aptana, textmate, emacs, and web based IDEs. Ubuntu's "one button search" works better, it's called /usr/bin/locate. If you're buying hardware devices that linux can't support well then you're doing it wrong. Support open standards and eschew manfacturers that don't support open source.

Sorry, locate is not even comparable to what Spotlight does. Do a search for mdfind(1) to get an idea of what is does. Recoll is the only thing I found on Linux being actively developed that comes close, but it's definitely not as polished or flexible. I'm primarily running Arch these days, but there are some things that Linux just has no good equivalent for.

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Post by slantyyz »

Bud wrote: post #397
slantyyz wrote: post #174

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>> If Steve were alive... Well, if he was alive, a lot of weird design choices would not have been made. Like the pencil sticking out of the iPad, that weird battery pack, the magic mouse with the charging port on the bottom, etc.

Can we grow up and get over the stupid fucking "pencil sticking out of the iPad" meme? The thing charges enough for several days' usage in ONE MINUTE. Get over it, people. Same thing for Magic Mouse. You think you can design it better? You have a better place for that port? The damn thing needs a few MINUTES of charge time per month. It's a non-issue. The port is exactly where it should be.

You might be willing to give them a mulligan on their recent design choices, but I'm not. Apple has historically had smart, sensible designs -- even Apple haters can't deny that.

The amount of time required to charge doesn't change the fact that no reasonable person would consider the pencil or the mouse charging method a good design.

>> Same thing for Magic Mouse. You think you can design it better? You have a better place for that port?

Well, there are already mice with charging ports where a cord would normally go. It's a solved problem.

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