Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by wainstead » Tue, Feb 09, 2016, 1:05 AM UTC

roymurdock wrote: post #279

samastur wrote: post #253

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When was this golden age? I've been a Mac user for about 10 years and it was never better than now, probably the opposite. Every edition had bunch of bugs I hated. Before then I regularly tested Mac for local computer magazine and it didn't look better either. I even managed to freeze Mac OSX 10.1 with first mouse click when it arrived in our lab. Before then we had lots of fun looking at ways you could hang by that…

My experience with the MBP + iPod Touch/iPhone since 2009. Using apps like iTunes, Final Cut Pro, iMovie, Garage Band, and Logic Pro. So the golden age for me has been 2009-2015 from Snow Leopard -> Mountain Lion (trailing off steeply w/ El Capitan) and from iOS 1 - 7, w/ iOS 8, 9 introducing issues.

I'll second this. I started with the beta of OS X (2000?) after several years with Red Hat, and the period of Snow Leopard through Mountain Lion was the best. Especially Snow Leopard. I recently reinstalled it on an old Mac Mini and a 2006 MacBook Pro and was amazed how fast it was compared to Mountain Lion on a 2011 MBP.

I rue the days I upgraded my iPhone and iPad to ios9. Both are slugs now and they don't sync with Messages on the MBP anymore.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by jimbokun » Tue, Feb 09, 2016, 1:06 AM UTC

foobarqux wrote: post #348

rayiner wrote: post #208

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> If you want to develop software, then you are pretty much stuck with XCode There are like nine different versions of Emacs for OS X...

Everyone I ask says that using Emacs for ios development is impractical. If anyone knows different please share the details.

Well, if you're willing to buy RubyMotion:

http://www.rubymotion.com/

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Post by lttlrck » Tue, Feb 09, 2016, 1:06 AM UTC

javajosh wrote: post #57

The problem is that there is no reasonable alternative. If you want a retina display, solid construction, and anything even close to a reasonable command line, then MBPr and OSX are my only real options. Apparently, engineering and producing a high-quality laptop is a really hard problem. Only Apple and Lenovo seem to be able to do it. And if you go Lenovo, then you are stuck installing Linux who's device drivers are…

Dell XPS 13 is very very nice and runs Ubuntu pretty flawlessly. Battery life is a challenge of course but thats not the hardwares fault and with a newer kernel, the right kernel options and tlp it does alright.

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Post by readams » Tue, Feb 09, 2016, 1:06 AM UTC

st3v3r wrote: post #266

stephengillie wrote: post #239

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Were this Windows, there would be a 3rd party app...err application... that would let you change the default launch app. Why not on OSX?

OS X lets you set default apps. I had Chrome set as my default browser for a while.

Try changing the app that launches when you press play/pause on the Mac keyboard. Go ahead. I'll wait.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by jeena » Tue, Feb 09, 2016, 1:06 AM UTC

tajen wrote: post #258

sithadmin wrote: post #19

>Mossberg pointed to "a gradual degradation in the quality and reliability of Apple’s core apps." He fingered iTunes for the desktop ("I dread opening the thing"), and the Mail, Photos, and iCloud programs. As somebody that's used a Mac for 90%+ of all computing-related tasks since OS X was released, all of the above-mentioned apps/services have been dead to me for years. I honestly can't remember the last time I pur…

To whomever would hear it: I want and need a deluxe Linux OS for which I would pay $200/year, which would do things well. This includes: - Porting bugfixes forward (I dropped Ubuntu because they didn't port a bugfix from 12.x to 13.04 - After 2 days trying to recover my network auth, I asked a Mac to my boss). - Designed for me, not for monkeys with big fingers who bring up Amazon results for every search (That's not…

All of the things are already there but not packaged in the way _you_ want it. You need to invest the time to chose and pick if you want to use Linux in this specific way. If you don't want to do that job, then I guess Linux is not for you, stick to OS X untill by pure chanse someone creates a distribution which does exactly what you want.

(Btw. I never compiled a Linux kernel for my desktop/laptop)

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Post by cyphar » Tue, Feb 09, 2016, 1:08 AM UTC

jjoonathan wrote: post #306

nostrademons wrote: post #159

It's kinda weird to read commentators talking as if this was the end of a golden age of Apple. From my perspective, their application software has always sucked. It was there because you need apps to bootstrap a platform and attract enough users to attract developers. But you can't really expect a consumer electronics company to have the best application for a given niche once the niche has been identified and attrac…

> anyone who used the whole integrated Apple software suite and never looked elsewhere has been missing out on some seriously nice features this whole time Ditto for anyone not using the Apple ecosystem. Better tested drivers installed by default, no OS license hassles, no issues created by malfunctioning (or maliciously functioning) antivirus, top download sites weren't infested with malware (no hunt for the real DL…

Okay, so Windows sucks (big surprise). What about GNU/Linux? I've been using it for more than 5 years full-time and I've never had any show-stopping problems or problems that couldn't be solved with a 5-minute Google search.

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Post by alva » Tue, Feb 09, 2016, 1:09 AM UTC

kough wrote: post #153

Spooky23 wrote: post #6

The Apple Music thing is my pet peeve. I bought a $2500 iMac. I carry a nearly $1000 phone. I don't want Apple Music. Leave me alone. I get periodic full screen ads when I try to listen to music. Is that too much to ask?

Oh, fully agreed. Have you gotten one of those ads when you don't have good network connectivity? Fails to load, fails to respond even if you go into airplane mode -- you have to wait until it can talk to Apple servers again before being able to use the app. Just happened to me yesterday. I just bought my first iPhone (switching from an Android, the droid maxx - great battery life) largely because I missed being able…

"Have you gotten one of those ads when you don't have good network connectivity? Fails to load, fails to respond even if you go into airplane mode"

Had this happen twice today on my long commute. After 15 minutes, gave up trying to make my very expensive phone play music. This on top of the usual iTunes complaints is pushing me to abandon Apple until things improve.

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Post by zzleeper » Tue, Feb 09, 2016, 1:10 AM UTC

kuschku wrote: post #281

ino wrote: post #250

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FWIW for Berlin, Apple Maps draws the transport lines and stations far better and nicer. Google draws the lines very imprecisely and doesn't show you tram lines, for example.

In my city, Google Maps has NO transit, NO satellite images since 2004, NO map data since 2010. Here maps has satellite and transit, and Apple Maps even has full 3D buildings. Following is a set of complaints I compiled last year when a Google employee asked me on reddit to post them more detail about my maps complaints. The usability of any Google product outside the US is a total disaster, and it’s a wonder how Goo…

TBH you can blame that on Germany alienating Google Maps

https://gigaom.com/2014/12/05/googles-cars-return-to-german-...

"Google started automatically blurring faces and number plates, it was forced to give Germans the option of having their houses blurred out as well – something hundreds of thousands of people took the firm up on.

However, this was a costly business, with Google needing to hire temporary workers to manually blur out selected buildings. It also didn’t stop people trying to sue the U.S. company over alleged privacy infringement. So, in 2011, Google said it was giving up on Street View in Germany – the pre-existing images remain online, but they haven’t been updated in three years."

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Post by jjoonathan » Tue, Feb 09, 2016, 1:11 AM UTC

cyphar wrote: post #366

jjoonathan wrote: post #306

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> anyone who used the whole integrated Apple software suite and never looked elsewhere has been missing out on some seriously nice features this whole time Ditto for anyone not using the Apple ecosystem. Better tested drivers installed by default, no OS license hassles, no issues created by malfunctioning (or maliciously functioning) antivirus, top download sites weren't infested with malware (no hunt for the real DL…

Okay, so Windows sucks (big surprise). What about GNU/Linux? I've been using it for more than 5 years full-time and I've never had any show-stopping problems or problems that couldn't be solved with a 5-minute Google search.

That is... so far from my many encounters with native desktop linux as to be almost unrecognizable.

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Post by wwweston » Tue, Feb 09, 2016, 1:13 AM UTC

marincounty wrote: post #317

samastur wrote: post #253

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When was this golden age? I've been a Mac user for about 10 years and it was never better than now, probably the opposite. Every edition had bunch of bugs I hated. Before then I regularly tested Mac for local computer magazine and it didn't look better either. I even managed to freeze Mac OSX 10.1 with first mouse click when it arrived in our lab. Before then we had lots of fun looking at ways you could hang by that…

I have a feeling you have new Apple products. I have a three year old MacBook, and I believe, a four year old Ipad2. I want to believe it was just the iPad and too much JavaScript, but my laptop is not what I expect from a three year laptop. That wheel is spinning way too much. Chrome brings it to unusuable, but figured it was my fault. I only have 4 gigs. Actually, I though 4 gigs would be enough? I do not believe i…

Interestingly, I have an MBP that's eight years old now. It has maxed out RAM about where you're at (4GB) and an SSD... and it's running Snow Leopard. And I get beachballs less often than I do on some newer machines running higher releases.

This is one of the things that makes me think the OS is declining.