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Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by kuschku »

ino wrote: post #250
largote wrote: post #195

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Clicking on an address defaults to fucking Apple Maps... Let me say that again: Apple Maps ...

FWIW for Berlin, Apple Maps draws the transport lines and stations far better and nicer. Google draws the lines very imprecisely and doesn't show you tram lines, for example.

In my city, Google Maps has NO transit, NO satellite images since 2004, NO map data since 2010. Here maps has satellite and transit, and Apple Maps even has full 3D buildings.

Following is a set of complaints I compiled last year when a Google employee asked me on reddit to post them more detail about my maps complaints.

The usability of any Google product outside the US is a total disaster, and it’s a wonder how Google is able to keep any market share with their quality of service.

NONE of this has been addressed since we started complaining in 2005 (!), except for one thing: that connection between two streets, which is closed with a fence, has been marked as closed. So now we have less people standing there trying to get through.

> https://www.google.com/maps/@54.3559928,10.0734304,18z

> http://imgur.com/a/DyRBT

> The map data on top is from the municipality, the map data on bottom from Google.

> As you see, the street "Beim Bauernhaus" is completely missing, the "Kellerkate" is missing half the street, the connection between "Beim Bauernhaus" and "Kellerkate" is missing, the "Kl. Koppel" is missing parts of the street.

> You currently have data from 2010 for this specific area.

> The data you currently have access to from GeoBasis-DE is this: http://i.imgur.com/67TQeP8.png

> At least the connection between Steinberg and Nienbrügger Weg is now marked as service path, until recently it was marked as street and people tried to get through there (there’s a fence making that impossible).

> I won’t get too much into satellite data either, because yours is from 2004, too:

> https://www.google.com/maps/@54.3530178,10.0703569,529m/data...

> https://www.here.com/?map=54.35308,10.07028,17,satellite

> And the unavailability of Public Transit data for busses, etc. on Google Maps – which is available on Here.com – makes it unlikely that I, as a student using public transit all the time – am going to switch back.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by st3v3r »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #198
toomuchtodo wrote: post #72

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Not for a tool contributing towards six figures of income for me annually. That's an insane ROI. EDIT: I know people who spend more than that on Starbucks each month.

That's not a realistic comparison... My acculated sum of every webapplication i use is (outside of my business ofc): - 9 € / month ( Google Play Music) - 3 € / month ( Netflix shared with 3 other people) - 3€ / month for Google Apps ( actually, this is business... But i also use the mail for private use..) = 15 € / month. If i'm not mistaking, you're OS X device costs you 4 times more every month then the sum of ever…

No. Your last line completely invalidated any point you might have had.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by dwg »

nostrademons wrote: post #159

It's kinda weird to read commentators talking as if this was the end of a golden age of Apple. From my perspective, their application software has always sucked. It was there because you need apps to bootstrap a platform and attract enough users to attract developers. But you can't really expect a consumer electronics company to have the best application for a given niche once the niche has been identified and attrac…

I do the same.

However, I guess that as Apple grows and attracts more customers outside of tech (especially as they have done with the iPhone), they will have also picked up a much larger share of customers who will use the built-in apps. If it's true that the quality is gong down as they say, well those people will form the opinion that you would expect them too which happens to be the one written about here.

Let's also not forget that the operating system itself has a huge impact on the experience. The difference between the OS and the apps is that problems in the OS don't just affect end users, they often affect app developers too. So regardless of how their apps are, they could easily get themselves into trouble here.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by STRiDEX »

theOnliest wrote: post #131
drhayes9 wrote: post #35

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Do you have any recommendations for a music player that isn't iTunes?

Swinsian ( http://swinsian.com ) is good...it's like what iTunes used to be (when it was actually usable).

Thanks for the link. They really boiled itunes down to the core product. Skipping through songs multiple times finally works quickly. I don't know how itunes lags with multiple song skips on an SSD.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by crudbug »

mmastrac wrote: post #3

It's not just software. While I'm still a fan of Macbooks, I'm getting close to abandoning ship thanks to the increasingly un-repairability of these things. I have a Macbook from ~2008 that's still functional as a media PC thanks to memory/SSD upgrades and battery replacements over the years. My current Macbook Pro has memory soldered on to the motherboard and a battery glued to the case. The SSD is technically repla…

This is more of a business decision than technical. The industry should avoid going into this trap. Co should give users a choice and keep the ports open.

I bought a T550 minimal configuration, for $600 upgraded the RAM to 16G & 500G SSD for $200, after using MBP for 7 years.

Though the MBP is still kicking ass with an upgraded 8G RAM & 500G SSD.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by pixelcloud »

pyre wrote: post #230
Ezhik wrote: post #200

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While on OS X you can replace everything easily to craft the experience you need, on iOS, it's not as much of an option, sadly. Also, I don't really like Google's desktop offerings - or the lack of them - everything is a webapp, and they just don't work as well as proper desktop software would have. I am so annoyed by the random reloads Chrome apps do, and the utter disrespect they have for multiple desktops.

The most frustrating part for me is that CMD-Tab'ing to, say, Hangouts will show me the Hangouts window. Now if I try to CMD-Tab to Chrome, it stays on the Hangouts window even though they are trying to treat them as separate applications (it's own application icon in the CMD-Tab bar, and a separate application menu from Chrome). This frustrates me on a daily basis.

The problem is that hangouts is still chrome.app. So the cmd+tab switcher groups it with chrome..

I've been using hyperswitch as my cmd+tab replacement for a while, and it is much closer to the windows implementation. I find it better..

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by pixelcloud »

pyre wrote: post #230
Ezhik wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While on OS X you can replace everything easily to craft the experience you need, on iOS, it's not as much of an option, sadly. Also, I don't really like Google's desktop offerings - or the lack of them - everything is a webapp, and they just don't work as well as proper desktop software would have. I am so annoyed by the random reloads Chrome apps do, and the utter disrespect they have for multiple desktops.

The most frustrating part for me is that CMD-Tab'ing to, say, Hangouts will show me the Hangouts window. Now if I try to CMD-Tab to Chrome, it stays on the Hangouts window even though they are trying to treat them as separate applications (it's own application icon in the CMD-Tab bar, and a separate application menu from Chrome). This frustrates me on a daily basis.

The problem is that hangouts is still chrome.app. So the cmd+tab switcher groups it with chrome..

I've been using hyperswitch as my cmd+tab replacement for a while, and it is much closer to the windows implementation. I find it better..

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Post by millstone »

pyre wrote: post #257
bphogan wrote: post #223

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The alternative is that I need to have 30 versions of Chrome laying around because they update every week or two. Surely there has to be a middle ground. :)

Well, Chrome tends to be ahead of the curve on a lot of things. For example, you need to upgrade to El Capitan to get true flexbox support in Safari (or iOS9 on iOS devices). This coupled with the fact that Chrome users don't need to do an OS upgrade to get the latest version means that you don't need to do as much heavy testing on various versions of Chrome (in my experience... though it's not in a locked-down corpo…

Many, perhaps most mobile Chrome users do not run the latest Chrome, and there's many differences among vendors. See http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2015/02/chrome_conti...

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by voltagex_ »

Swizec wrote: post #138
Someone1234 wrote: post #66

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> (comes out to be ~$60/month) Even phased like that that is a lot of money.

Is it? As a software engineer, I leverage those $60/month into $8000+/month. I think that's more than worth it. Why the hell haven't I bought a backup machine yet just in case this one breaks?

Christ, you earn 3x / month what I do. What have I done wrong?

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by jedmeyers »

st3v3r wrote: post #266
stephengillie wrote: post #239

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Were this Windows, there would be a 3rd party app...err application... that would let you change the default launch app. Why not on OSX?

OS X lets you set default apps. I had Chrome set as my default browser for a while.

And it even supports handoff from iOS Safari.
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