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Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by __jal » Mon, Feb 08, 2016, 10:48 PM UTC

kozukumi wrote: post #11

iTunes has been awful for years . The only reason it hasn't got worse is because devices are more powerful. I do think they are producing more and more buggy-on-release software with a video game mindset of "patch it post launch". Sadly it is the way software appears to be today. I have no problem with fixing problems post-launch (obviously!) but shipping a product just to meat a deadline (looking at Microsoft with W…

As the joke goes, iTunes would be a great operating system, if only it had a decent MP3 player.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by threeseed » Mon, Feb 08, 2016, 10:48 PM UTC

NicoJuicy wrote: post #102

toomuchtodo wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Obviously there's a very large target market of folks that just want their tech to work and will happily drop a few hundred bucks each time they need to upgrade or repair. But it's hard to go back once you've opened up your computer and seen how cheap/easy it is to replace some of these extremely modular components. I imagine my mindset will change as I get older and have less time/more disposable income. There is.…

Full stack developer here on Windows, not everything maxed out. Payed 550€ for my laptop ( 8 gb, ..) 2 years ago, everything is still working fine and it's still enough ( Visual Studio is supposed to be a "heavy" program). = 23 € / month till now and still dropping... And it's hardly game over with my laptop. When i'm at 3 years, it will cost me about 15,2 € / month. I'll probably use it for longer. But let's say i d…

That's great if you're a Windows developer. If you aren't then congratulations your performance is cripped as you have to run everything inside a Linux VM. There are just too many open source projects that stupidly hard core path seperators or rely on UNIX binaries.

Microsoft would really do well supporting a truly great UNIX layer.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by darkstar999 » Mon, Feb 08, 2016, 10:48 PM UTC

javajosh wrote: post #57

The problem is that there is no reasonable alternative. If you want a retina display, solid construction, and anything even close to a reasonable command line, then MBPr and OSX are my only real options. Apparently, engineering and producing a high-quality laptop is a really hard problem. Only Apple and Lenovo seem to be able to do it. And if you go Lenovo, then you are stuck installing Linux who's device drivers are…

Have you looked at Dell's XPS 13 Developer edition? It seems like you are totally ruling out linux even if it comes supported by the hardware manufacturer. I can't imagine Dell released this thing with poor driver support.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by sehr » Mon, Feb 08, 2016, 10:48 PM UTC

shas3 wrote: post #101

superuser2 wrote: post #85

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Non-user-serviceability buys smaller and lighter form factors. I would expect the story to be similar for hardware with similar size, weight, and battery life characteristics. EDIT: and most importantly, more battery chemistry per weight. Safety requires that serviceable batteries are enclosed in rather substantial cases whose internals are non-user-serviceable. Apple "cheats" by making this case the entire laptop, r…

So, it's probably wise for Apple or any other company to keep a model or two that are modular to satisfy the geekier crowd. It would be expensive, because with larger-numbers, the razor thin laptops will be cheaper due to scale.

geek satisfaction probably isn't valuable enough to go against their entire design history

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by shiftpgdn » Mon, Feb 08, 2016, 10:49 PM UTC

javajosh wrote: post #57

The problem is that there is no reasonable alternative. If you want a retina display, solid construction, and anything even close to a reasonable command line, then MBPr and OSX are my only real options. Apparently, engineering and producing a high-quality laptop is a really hard problem. Only Apple and Lenovo seem to be able to do it. And if you go Lenovo, then you are stuck installing Linux who's device drivers are…

Dell XPS 13 Developer edition comes with Ubuntu and a "retina" level screen for about the same cost as a MBPr. Lenovo Yoga 900 can run fedora based linux without issue and is also a "retina" level screen and solid hardware.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by toomuchtodo » Mon, Feb 08, 2016, 10:49 PM UTC

threeseed wrote: post #122

NicoJuicy wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Full stack developer here on Windows, not everything maxed out. Payed 550€ for my laptop ( 8 gb, ..) 2 years ago, everything is still working fine and it's still enough ( Visual Studio is supposed to be a "heavy" program). = 23 € / month till now and still dropping... And it's hardly game over with my laptop. When i'm at 3 years, it will cost me about 15,2 € / month. I'll probably use it for longer. But let's say i d…

That's great if you're a Windows developer. If you aren't then congratulations your performance is cripped as you have to run everything inside a Linux VM. There are just too many open source projects that stupidly hard core path seperators or rely on UNIX binaries. Microsoft would really do well supporting a truly great UNIX layer.

> There are just too many open source projects that stupidly hard core path seperators or rely on UNIX binaries.

I wouldn't say stupidly. Open source projects just don't prioritize Windows development.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Feb 08, 2016, 10:50 PM UTC

douche wrote: post #95

toomuchtodo wrote: post #72

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Not for a tool contributing towards six figures of income for me annually. That's an insane ROI. EDIT: I know people who spend more than that on Starbucks each month.

Just about everything starts to look cheap when you stack it up next to a daily Starbucks habit...

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Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by mgrpowers » Mon, Feb 08, 2016, 10:50 PM UTC

mmastrac wrote: post #3

It's not just software. While I'm still a fan of Macbooks, I'm getting close to abandoning ship thanks to the increasingly un-repairability of these things. I have a Macbook from ~2008 that's still functional as a media PC thanks to memory/SSD upgrades and battery replacements over the years. My current Macbook Pro has memory soldered on to the motherboard and a battery glued to the case. The SSD is technically repla…

I agree. I've had three different top of the line MBPs and they don't feel as solid as my 2007 macbook. The solid states are unreliable, the battery life never comes close to what's promised and that damn fan won't turn off. Sure, I'm a power user but isn't that why I'm paying 3500 for this?

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by dubrocks » Mon, Feb 08, 2016, 10:50 PM UTC

ghrifter wrote: post #81

irq wrote: post #32

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This just isn't true. You can easily browse your songs on an iPhone in the Music app by album, artist, song, genre, etc. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, or maybe you're not familiar with the UI?

I have iOS 9.2 and updated Music to the latest version. There is no "view all songs". But perhaps you found some way? Like I just want to see all songs, not playlists, not genres, everything. I'd love to find out :)

My Music > Tap the red "Artists" button beneath the scrolling list of recent songs at the top.

A UI disaster that most Music users will never discover.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by Cartwright2 » Mon, Feb 08, 2016, 10:50 PM UTC

I dread helping anyone with iTunes related issues. The syncing process is dangerous, it's far too easy to wipe someone's collection of music / family photos / pictures. I'm not sure if this is an isolated issue but I start sweating bullets as soon as I have to connect an iDevice to iTunes. What really shocks me is that instead of showing a big red warning message before a destructive sync, it silently goes ahead and wipes data without even asking. And there's no easy way to tell what a sync is going to do. After any iTunes sync I generally think "Ok, now let's assess the damage".

To add insult to injury it's almost impossible to make a file-for-file backup before decimating a device with iTunes sync. In fact, the iTunes sync process is the main reason I stick to Android despite it having a whole other ecosystem of flaws. I'll take a USB Mass storage device and robocopy / rsync, thanks. They actually work.