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Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by ghrifter »

irq wrote: post #32
ghrifter wrote: post #12

Two apps I use the most on my iPhone are Podcasts and Music. On my PC (windows) I use iTunes often. Both the iPhone apps and the modern version of iTunes are an utter, over-designed mess. It felt like the core programming functionality was there, until some UX designer got a hold of the front end of those apps and decided to fubar it beyond recognition. There is _Literally_ no way to just look at all music on your iP…

This just isn't true. You can easily browse your songs on an iPhone in the Music app by album, artist, song, genre, etc. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, or maybe you're not familiar with the UI?

I have iOS 9.2 and updated Music to the latest version. There is no "view all songs". But perhaps you found some way? Like I just want to see all songs, not playlists, not genres, everything. I'd love to find out :)

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by siquick »

mmastrac wrote: post #3

It's not just software. While I'm still a fan of Macbooks, I'm getting close to abandoning ship thanks to the increasingly un-repairability of these things. I have a Macbook from ~2008 that's still functional as a media PC thanks to memory/SSD upgrades and battery replacements over the years. My current Macbook Pro has memory soldered on to the motherboard and a battery glued to the case. The SSD is technically repla…

Yep same issue with 2013 MBA. The 4GB RAM is becoming a bottleneck but it's soldered in so I'll be forced to upgrade within a year.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by agumonkey »

yggydrasily wrote: post #34

The problem is that Steve Jobs isn't around any more to give the company the proper focus and hold everyone to a high quality standard. The recent slippage in quality and focus mirrors what happened in the late 80s and early 90s after Steve was forced out. There was considerable leftover momentum in the short term which allowed the company to coast for while and keep up some semblance of health, but eventually the la…

You got me imagining Steve Jobs doing a proper 2nd coming of the Christ now that he is somewhere higher. Classic Steve.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by Analemma_ »

dasil003 wrote: post #36

My take on this is not that Apple has gotten worse, but that they have actually gotten better at cloud services. Whereas no one actually used MobileMe or iDisk, their new generation of cloud services is actually being used. It's true that they're losing ground because Google has defined a bar for cloud services that they can't reach, but they are trying and not entirely failing at it. The secondary aspect is the surf…

> My take on this is not that Apple has gotten worse, but that they have actually gotten better at cloud services.

Which isn't saying much, since they're still terrible. Their cloud-synced Notes.app is almost unusable; every time I add a note on the phone there's maybe a one-in-three chance it'll sync to the desktop immediately, a one-in-three chance it'll sync the next day, and a one-in-three chance it'll appear three days later or more. If Apple has in fact gotten better at cloud services, it's only because they were so abysmal before that there was nowhere to go but up.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by superuser2 »

mmastrac wrote: post #3

It's not just software. While I'm still a fan of Macbooks, I'm getting close to abandoning ship thanks to the increasingly un-repairability of these things. I have a Macbook from ~2008 that's still functional as a media PC thanks to memory/SSD upgrades and battery replacements over the years. My current Macbook Pro has memory soldered on to the motherboard and a battery glued to the case. The SSD is technically repla…

Non-user-serviceability buys smaller and lighter form factors. I would expect the story to be similar for hardware with similar size, weight, and battery life characteristics.

EDIT: and most importantly, more battery chemistry per weight. Safety requires that serviceable batteries are enclosed in rather substantial cases whose internals are non-user-serviceable. Apple "cheats" by making this case the entire laptop, rather than a specific battery module.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by VeejayRampay »

Their software was never great to begin with. But there was a form of uniqueness, some innovation. That much is gone now. Despite the fact that they're developing for their own hardware, despite the hundreds of billions, their software is neither especially fast nor particularly reliable.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by ghrifter »

dceddia wrote: post #64
ghrifter wrote: post #12

Two apps I use the most on my iPhone are Podcasts and Music. On my PC (windows) I use iTunes often. Both the iPhone apps and the modern version of iTunes are an utter, over-designed mess. It felt like the core programming functionality was there, until some UX designer got a hold of the front end of those apps and decided to fubar it beyond recognition. There is _Literally_ no way to just look at all music on your iP…

This kills me. In an older version of iTunes (not that long ago), I could open it up and see every song in my library in one big long list. Typing a few characters would find the song I wanted. When that song finished playing, it would just play the next one in the list. Now, it's just as you say - hard to find specific albums or artists or songs, and once I do, I can't quite tell what it'll do when a song finishes p…

I just think that for some programs or interfaces, like YouTube, it is fine for a while. Works great.

But then they hire a new UX person, or the incumbent UX person gets bored - so they keep refactoring the interface to put out an image of "getting work done" or "adding features and enhancements".

Basically making work for themselves and refactoring an already fine interface that user's are familiar with and just introducing new headaches to users along the way.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by brandonmenc »

aditya wrote: post #20

Wow, that's a lot of media hoopla. Let's be real, Apple's never been a software company -- they've always made excellent hardware and good enough software that people will deal with because they want their amazing hardware. No one has ever said anything about any Apple software compared to what people say about their hardware. Software's not in their DNA and I think all this media attention will just fade after a whi…

> Let's be real, Apple's never been a software company -- they've always made excellent hardware and good enough software that people will deal with because they want their amazing hardware.

Wrong.

This may be less true recently, but for a good decade Apple had the superior OS and were the only ones who got device and media integration right - that's all software.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by KirinDave »

It's practically downvote bait in here to talk about how happy, overall, I've been with my move to the Surface product line or how much more I like the current incarnation of Win10 and the devkit than any of the other options.

But yeah, I never thought I'd say I was happier using the Microsoft variant but here I am.

And that's with 2 OS revs full of crashes, poor power management, and a replaced device because rev0 literally tore its hinge apart. I still enjoy the thing more than opening up my "work" laptop and struggling with OSX's halfhearted core apps and awkward expression of UNIX and just... the least amount of system stability surrounding virtualization I've had with any of the OSs I've tried.

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