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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by sytse »

james-skemp wrote: post #438
djKianoosh wrote: post #290

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bitbucket server (used to be called stash) has practically no search capability. it's the underappreciated killer feature of github IMO

We've recently started using it at work and the lack of profiles and graphs (without paying for oddly priced plugins) is quite unfortunate as well. It was quite disappointing, especially since Gitlabs was on the table as an option but we opted for Bitbucket since we added JIRA a couple years ago. If the smart people here have any suggestions on how to make Bitbucket look more line GitHub, I'd love to hear.

Sorry to hear GitLab was not the choice. For anybody reading this: GitLab CE and EE have great JIRA support, see http://doc.gitlab.com/ce/project_services/jira.html

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by Mangalor »

Jedd wrote: post #602
Mangalor wrote: post #586

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The point is to not ignore racism by pretending it doesn't exist.

I don't think anyone is advocating that we ignore racism, let alone that the ideal state is one where it exists and we ignore it. Rather, we aim to be in a place where racism simply doesn't exist. I am painfully aware that for many people this is an unsettling proposition as it sounds like rampant fantasy and/or they don't comprehend how (or believe that) any society could reach that position. But in turn I believe t…

Not talking about race has been the status quo in tech. Only in recent years have people even brought it up. To think that not talking about it further will cause racism to not exist is the fantasy.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by wildmusings »

johnny22 wrote: post #738
wildmusings wrote: post #659

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All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing. The reason why this narrative is doing so well is because they've scared everyone else into ducking for cover instead of speaking up. If we don't fight back, we are surrendering to this tyranny. History doesn't have to play out in any one way. Our culture of individualism and freedom is not guaranteed to survive. It is on each generation to preserve it f…

this is not some battle of civilizations

You're right, this enemy is within.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by hox »

droopybuns wrote: post #494

The current dominant themes in certain feminism & diversity cliques in our community are openly hostile towards me. I'm a male. I'm white. I'm middle class. I'm heterosexual. I'm also a leader. I'm a parent of two daughters. My mother had to fight sexism issues in her career. I am supportive of inclusion & diversity. I am trying to raise my girls to be empowered, confident & curious. But the dominant themes in curren…

This is just misguided, plain and simple. I am white, male, heterosexual, and from a middle class family, and I absolutely know that my background gives me privilege. It doesn't matter if I earned it or not; I had and still have an advantage over other classes of people, and that is where the hostility is directed.

Instead of taking it personally, use this advantage to eliminate as much privilege as possible. Don't shy away from "leadership," but instead embrace it and make diversity a major focus of your leadership style.

Calling out the underrepresented as "bigots" for being upset is just plain cowardice.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by jccalhoun »

archagon wrote: post #612
droopybuns wrote: post #494

The current dominant themes in certain feminism & diversity cliques in our community are openly hostile towards me. I'm a male. I'm white. I'm middle class. I'm heterosexual. I'm also a leader. I'm a parent of two daughters. My mother had to fight sexism issues in her career. I am supportive of inclusion & diversity. I am trying to raise my girls to be empowered, confident & curious. But the dominant themes in curren…

I don't understand how people can seriously claim that these are "current dominant themes". I studied at UC Berkeley, one of the liberal capitals of California. Most of my friends are Berkeley students. Most of my friends are feminists . There's practically no hostility (as you put it) towards white, heterosexual males in these circles. I have never been personally attacked or felt uncomfortable. Most of the discussi…

I am an academic who is a straight white man and who researches things related to race and gender and I don't think I have ever met a militant feminist. If the internet is to believe they are everywhere but somehow I haven't ran into them.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by dang »

mikerichards wrote: post #726
dang wrote: post #718

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Please don't post generically ideological comments like this. The thread is bad enough even without going there.

Dang, as someone that is supposed to be objective, I'd be careful showing your true political colors. I'm sure there are people that watch your commentary.

I didn't post that because I agree or disagree with you politically, but because ideological name-calling (a) isn't substantive discussion, and (b) invariably provokes worse.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by dang »

hartpuff wrote: post #597
dang wrote: post #526

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This comment breaks the HN guidelines, as do several other of the comments you've posted, including in this thread. We ban accounts that do this, and it's the last thing this angry thread needs more of. Kindly reread the HN guidelines and follow them when posting here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html

The poster I replied to was whining about being downvoted in order to score upvotes ("Please resist commenting about being downvoted."), when in fact their argument was just a bad one. In another post he made a stupid and offensive reference to the Nazis because someone said they were from Germany. So either he was trolling or he's an idiot. I'm not sure if pointing that out was what violated the guidelines or just t…

Yes, the comment about downvoting broke the rules, and yes the comment about Germany would have merited chiding if the author hadn't deleted it. But the HN guidelines apply to you, as to all of us, whether the other person breaks the rules or not.

Your entire comment upthread was uncivil. If you're sincere about abiding by the guidelines (as I hope you are), it would be an instructive exercise to rewrite it in a neutral, respectful way, editing out the nose-tweaking and every trace of snark. Do that on three or four occasions and you'll see how much better your contributions get, regardless of what you're arguing for. I know that sounds patronizing, but I don't mean it that way—it's a process that many of us, including me, have gone through, and it helps.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by generic_user »

wildmusings wrote: post #659
droopybuns wrote: post #494

The current dominant themes in certain feminism & diversity cliques in our community are openly hostile towards me. I'm a male. I'm white. I'm middle class. I'm heterosexual. I'm also a leader. I'm a parent of two daughters. My mother had to fight sexism issues in her career. I am supportive of inclusion & diversity. I am trying to raise my girls to be empowered, confident & curious. But the dominant themes in curren…

All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing. The reason why this narrative is doing so well is because they've scared everyone else into ducking for cover instead of speaking up. If we don't fight back, we are surrendering to this tyranny. History doesn't have to play out in any one way. Our culture of individualism and freedom is not guaranteed to survive. It is on each generation to preserve it f…

I agree, a common diversion tactic of these activists is to try and tell you to just ignore the bad people and they will go away, eventually...

Usually with some self confirming story like the OP... I'm white just like you! Just ignore these radical racist people. go back to watching the ball game dude!

Its a tactic. The last thing they want is an actual debate because there ideas do not hold merit under scrutiny. If they can't get you to sit down and shut up then they will try to attack attack you.

So yes, everyone needs to stand up and stand firm against these people or they will continue and only get more irrational and nasty.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by jccalhoun »

proc0 wrote: post #379

I would expect more from a tech company that is supposed to be by programmers for programmers. Programmers are abstract thinkers, and it's disgusting to see them lower themselves and adopt the semantics and memes of obvious cultural constructs like race. What does it even mean to be "white"? Who exactly are they talking about and what is it about this group of people that is so bad? There's no need to bring in this g…

I don't think there is anything wrong with thinking about race or identifying as one thing or another. I think the problem is when we start thinking what we identify as is better than what others identify as.

Yes race is a social construct but so are lots and lots of things that we talk about all the time and don't see to have problems with.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by Khaine »

anotherc wrote: post #645
proc0 wrote: post #571

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Nope. But I don't know what you're getting at. As a programmer, I just care that you write good code. In fact, I might as well be interacting with your mind across the internet, and don't even have to look at you in the face, and we will be collaborating just fine. Why does it matter for someone who deals with 0's and 1's what the color of the skin of your coworker is? Once again, if you're a programmer and you're sw…

> Why does it matter for someone who deals with 0's and 1's what the color of the skin of your coworker is? It seems crazy to me that someone would have to explain this on a public forum.If you are a white male I'm sure it might be hard for you to understand why race, gender, and class matter and how they intersect with your life, your work, and that of your colleagues.

NO IT FUCKING DOESN"T

STOP WITH THIS BULLSHIT

If you contribute to an open source product under then name 'anotherc', nobody cares if you are black, white, pink, male or female. All they will care about is the quality of your code

Likewise at work, all that people should care about is the quality of your work, and being respectful of others.

IF YOU THINK SOMEONES RACE MATTERS YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM

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